Lockdown tightened in parts of Northern England

[PatriciaHolm]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Still breaking so no exact detail on location yet but -

"Separate households will not be allowed to meet indoors in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire from midnight, the government has announced.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said an "increasing rate of transmission" had been identified in those areas."

If you do understand then you don't care .
People keep saying the government is putting the economy before health well yes of course . They aren't going to pay people for sitting at home .
The same people complain about the furloughed scheme .
If Boris decides to shut pubs again he'll have to furloughed people again so you either understand that or tell me your suggestion.
Because I'm not staying home unless I'm being paid .
And also I work in the industry and the amount of tax alcohol produces is eye watering . The same taxes that pay for the nhs and furloughed staff .

islockdownoveryet

No to bars and restaurants shutting unless Boris is going to get his cheque book out again to pay to furloughed everyone. It's not just pubs it's all the suppliers to pubs restaurants etc the knock on effect it has .”

Unfortunately, we’re in the state we’re in because service industry based economies just aren’t sustainable long-term.

Were we a nation whose economy relied on manufacturing and tangible services (energy, sciences, tech etc.) rather than restaurants, coffee shops, nail/brow bars and leisure we would be in a far stronger position to weather this.

Really hope that our Government learns that lesson, if nothing else.

Of course I u swear and and of course I care. But you cannot put one sector against literally the rest of the economy.
And unfortunately for those in the industry the science is leaning that way already
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53621613

Perhaps if pubs were able to enforce the guidance better then this would not be the case but when you see heaving beer gardens in clear contravention of the rules then it is unsurprising that infections are rising 3 weeks after the sector reopened.

*u swear = understand

@itsarattrap - the "services" sector actually includes those areas you mention, in fact most UK GDP isn't from hospitality but the professional services industry (finance, insurance, IT) makes 30% GVA whereas hotels & restaurants is under 3% GVA. Unfortunately all areas of the economy are affected, though to differing extents, by a huge global recession due to the pandemic.

its not just about Boris not wanting to close pubs because of paying out furlough.

it might be because he knows that going to the local pub is important to his 'red wall' in the north. you know, the people who granted him his majority.

im currently staying in one of the locked down towns in the NW.
nobody, and I mean nobody is behaving like there is a new lockdown.
the pubs and cafes are packed to the hilt today.

I do wonder, if im honest, if he won't shut the pubs because of populism.

to be honest I don't even know what I fucking think anymore.
the gov have handled this terribly imho.
we all have a different opinion of course.

but people likening wearing facemarks to wearing a nappy are incredibly difficult to understand.

I just don't get being human at this point

MRex

Yes, I know. Financial services deal in globally traded financial instruments, in other words tangible products with value.
Too much of our economy is based on fragile services with no real value.

Positive cases have been rising rapidly in Calderdale - anyone looking at this graph can see why they were included. coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Calderdale

Christians have pointed out that Easter was cancelled - for the religious that is actually at least as important as Christmas.

We don’t manufacture much here anymore and haven’t made much that was decent for 60 years plus. We paid ourselves too much and couldn’t compete. Our goods were poorly developed and fell apart : cars in particular. Our management skills were crap and we spent our Marshall plan money on the nhs instead of up skilling and rebuilding industry like the Germans did. We are addicted to cheap imports and have been for 60 years. We cannot compete in manufacturing on a global scale with China and quite a few other countries with cheap labour obviously ahead of us. We are great at niche expensive techy things. Overall manufacturing isn’t the way forward. So let’s not pretend it can be. That ship has sailed. What did happen to shipbuilding by the way?

Germany doesnt exactly pay its own people badly, although I think it does make a lot of use of migrant labour. It also has a well resourced health service. It has taken over the role of manufacturing quality items, we cant compete with China on junk.

We have a government that has never supported manufacturing. The money from North Sea oil could have gone on rebuilding industry, political ideology meant it went on tax cuts. Climate change and the prospect of more pandemics mean we need a more resilient economy.

The Germans rebuilt their manufacturing base after the war with Marshall plan money and took a different route regarding their economy. We nationalised railways, steel, coal, electricity, water, gas and Fitbit about RandD and produced rubbish that, in the end, few people bought. They either want cheap from abroad or pay more for superior German products. We export 1/6 of what Germany exports to China. BAe are in serious trouble. As is the rump of our car making. What do we make that can compete and increase our global sales? It’s very difficult to think of anything major.

Germany has a different economic model and has, for decades, invested in industry and didn’t have the industrial relations issues, had far better management and made great products the world wanted. We didn’t so we contracted.

Fitbit??? Forgot about RandD.

alreadytaken but Calderdale covers Halifax ( where cases are rising) as well as tiny hamlets up The Calder Valley where cases are negligible.
There must be a better way than by LA

People who live in those hamlets up the Calder Valley don't all live and work there though, they commute to Lancashire, Halifax, Bradford, Leeds etc and looking at the graphs, Calderdale hasn't yet peaked - it's a steep curve; not as steep as Bradford or Kirklees but still steep.

Yes but they can go and sit outside a bar in Manchester City centre or Leeds but not in next doors garden