Lockdown tightened in parts of Northern England

[PatriciaHolm]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Still breaking so no exact detail on location yet but -

"Separate households will not be allowed to meet indoors in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire from midnight, the government has announced.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said an "increasing rate of transmission" had been identified in those areas."

@islockdownoveryet

What exactly has been disrupted? Are you joking you do realise that so many people rely on relatives for childcare so they can work especially as it's the holidays . Some are saying it's fine others not so , a lot of people have just gone back to work after a long time furloughed so have no option to use relatives for childcare.

And this is exactly why it's so important that everyone follows all of the guidelines and doesn't ignore them based on their own risk assessments, isn't it? Because many of us have seen this coming but are shouted down constantly. We can't just carry on as if nothing has happened because then this happens, and it starts slowly and is only really noticeable when it's out of control.

but I stand by my statement that if someone (symptom free) is allowed in my bubble at 11pm on the night of an announcement but not after 12pm, then it's utter bullshit.
People in support bubbles are still allowed to spend time indoors not socially distanced as if they were one household. It's only separate households who were up until yesterday able to meet indoors socially distanced who are now not allowed to meet indoors.

We are in this mess because we had to open up but did so without clear guidelines and bollocks about British common sense.
Plus contempt for anyone who isn't Boris Johnson/Dominic Cummings.

But who makes big celebratory plans during a pandemic? I agree with pp in that if everyone had been exercising caution then there wouldn’t be much to call off.

The Johnson family are a disgrace. One rule for them and one for the little people. Rachel Johnson wrote yesterday in the DM about how her husband, who has had a liver transplant, hasn't been shielding and has been out and about shopping etc. Unless they know something we don't.

And now clarification that family and friends are not allowed to provide childcare other than in parks (!) or support bubbles. But we all somehow have to go to work. Awesome. It’s like this has been planned by someone who has never had to worry about things like childcare

“ Can I still visit friends and family in their homes for childcare?
You should not meet with people you do not live with in their homes or gardens.

Two households, or up to 6 people from multiple households, can still meet in outdoor public places (like parks) for childcare. Where people from single adult households (people who live alone or single parents with dependent children aged under 18) have formed a support bubble, they can continue to visit each other for childcare purposes.

Can my friends or family still visit to provide childcare?
You should not meet with people you do not live with in their homes or gardens.

Two households, or up to 6 people from multiple households, can still meet in outdoor public places (like parks) for childcare. Where people from single adult households (people who live alone or single parents with dependent children aged under 18) have formed a support bubble with another household, they can continue to visit each other for childcare purposes.”

Forgot to post the updated link
www.gov.uk/guidance/north-west-of-england-local-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do

@IrmaFayLear , a small family gathering for Eid say, kids meeting up with their grandparents

@IrmaFayLear

But who makes big celebratory plans during a pandemic? I agree with pp in that if everyone had been exercising caution then there wouldn’t be much to call off.

People that have done "their own risk assessments"

@ineedaholiday she works in retail and social distancing is impossible as customers seem to think retail workers are collateral damage. Her BF was spit on by a customer because they hadn't had their bread delivery that day.

And I really hope no one on this thread every went to work with flu or sent their kids to school with it - yes I know Covid isn't flu but it's a virus and it kills. Because if we're supposed to worry about transmitting this to someone's great aunt Gertrude, then you might like to consider that the time you went to work with the start of flu and passed it to Tim in accounts and he passed it to Mary in the canteen and she passed it to her twins who took it to school and passed it to their teacher who then passed it to her dad with COPD who later died.

Did you ever even consider it before C19? How many people died of flu over the years because you went to work/pub/school/uni and passed it around? No, probably not.

I lost my dad and my grandad to seasonal flu. Where are the lockdowns for that? Where are the mask wearers? You all know you've gone somewhere with a virus of any kind with the potential to pass it on and cause complications or death for someone down the line. But you only care now you're told to.

And that's my last word on this thread.

Until 10 pm last night it was perfectly ok for a couple with kids to pop up to the nearby grandparents and hang out together in a low key way. Perfectly reasonable Eid celebrations. Or just hanging out.
Hardly making massive party plans ffs.

This is so annoying - as I live in am impacted area. I’ve cancelled a trip away this weekend to Scotland as per their government advice. The hotel won’t refund as she stated their government is open and receiving people! Maybe I should have just gone? Was I silly to cancel. I mean I clearly silly to book it. Hindsight is great.

I must admit I have been at loggerheads with HearHooves on other threads because I do think we can go out and about and there aren’t molecules of virus leaping off park benches or sliding off our Tesco delivery BUT in this instance I am on the same page.

Who would think that big family gatherings (some may be small - but I don’t think a lockdown is aimed at them) is appropriate now? Why would you mix multi-generational households when it is clearly unsafe?

Frankly I think most people are thinking that Christmas will be different this year. Only a fool would buy a turkey for 25 and then be outraged if many of the guests were unable to come due to a local lockdown.

It's not about having a lockdown. It's about not telling people until two hours before midnight.

@bellinisurge You keep saying the same thing. What do you want the Government to do then? Allow Eid celebrations to happen and then restrict from the weekend? This would cause "government doesn't give a shit about health/welfare of BAME/Muslim" headlines as evidence on a rise on infections no being acted on.

That's an interesting point. If the government had said on Monday "we'll do this from Friday", would some people have rushed to their families to get in with gifts before Eid, or would there have been enough sensible heads saying "grandma is frail, cases are rising, don't go"?

@IrmaFayLear

I must admit I have been at loggerheads with HearHooves on other threads because I do think we can go out and about and there aren’t molecules of virus leaping off park benches or sliding off our Tesco delivery BUT in this instance I am on the same page.

Who would think that big family gatherings (some may be small - but I don’t think a lockdown is aimed at them) is appropriate now? Why would you mix multi-generational households when it is clearly unsafe?

Frankly I think most people are thinking that Christmas will be different this year. Only a fool would buy a turkey for 25 and then be outraged if many of the guests were unable to come due to a local lockdown.

It’s a recipe for distaste. My in-laws are meeting up indoors for Eid as we speak - three households, 15 people in total. Vulnerable people who have been shielding up until yesterday (COPD etc) mixing with brother in law who’s a taxi driver and teenage children who haven’t been socially distancing with their friends.

How do they justify it? We’ve had one Eid in lockdown. That was enough.

Or say on Monday and loads of people just go to do stuff in other local areas outside the affected one.

@Xyzzzzz

This is so annoying - as I live in am impacted area. I’ve cancelled a trip away this weekend to Scotland as per their government advice. The hotel won’t refund as she stated their government is open and receiving people! Maybe I should have just gone? Was I silly to cancel. I mean I clearly silly to book it. Hindsight is great.

What government advice has said you have to cancel a trip away? That’s not in the north-west guidance? Or is this something the Scottish government has said?

I am shielding and Eid or no Eid, Christmas or no Christmas, I sure ain’t mixing with multiple households! Are people quite mad?

Nicola came on tv and said if your from this area don’t visit unless it’s essential. I’ve checked the Scottish government website and it states the same.

My fault for booking it last week.

@IrmaFayLear

I am shielding and Eid or no Eid, Christmas or no Christmas, I sure ain’t mixing with multiple households! Are people quite mad?

It looks like it. They wanted us to come round for the Eid gathering too (that would make 18 people!) but we firmly refused. Of course there’s no social distancing inside because it’s a small terraced house.

They think they’re being sensible because they’re only meeting up with ‘immediate family’.

Oh wow I didn’t realise that! Makes sense from Scotland’s perspective I guess. Wonder if Wales will follow suit, I love in Trafford and loads of people I know are planning trips to abersoch and Anglesey...

@ceeveebee

Oh wow I didn’t realise that! Makes sense from Scotland’s perspective I guess. Wonder if Wales will follow suit, I love in Trafford and loads of people I know are planning trips to abersoch and Anglesey...

Yes but the hotel in Scotland are saying their open and receiving people from all over so they won’t Refund on this basis. She also said there’s no government official advice. But the website is pretty clear.

@Rosehip10 I have said several times that a formal statement at 6 pm last night in a press conference would have been annoying but fine. Sneaky Twitter shit at 10 pm two hours before the restrictions come into force is just contemptible