Lockdown tightened in parts of Northern England

[PatriciaHolm]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Still breaking so no exact detail on location yet but -

"Separate households will not be allowed to meet indoors in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire from midnight, the government has announced.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said an "increasing rate of transmission" had been identified in those areas."

news.sky.com/story/sage-members-worried-serious-disorder-could-overwhelm-attempts-to-control-coronavirus-12040171
SAGE members worried serious disorder could 'overwhelm' attempts to control coronavirus
Britain will face "grave challenges" in keeping public order, scientists advising the government have warned.

The scientists flagged the scapegoating of various communities, and anger over local lockdowns, as potential causes of disorder.

And in a prescient warning, they said localised lockdowns could cause problems if they are in place over Eid.

@RedToothBrush

news.sky.com/story/sage-members-worried-serious-disorder-could-overwhelm-attempts-to-control-coronavirus-12040171 SAGE members worried serious disorder could 'overwhelm' attempts to control coronavirus Britain will face "grave challenges" in keeping public order, scientists advising the government have warned.

The scientists flagged the scapegoating of various communities, and anger over local lockdowns, as potential causes of disorder.

And in a prescient warning, they said localised lockdowns could cause problems if they are in place over Eid.

Well reading that cheered me up

I hate reading SAGE advice from ages ago, knowing the government didn't listen.

I’m trying to find the Bradford boundary. I’m due to go and stay in a cottage in Grassington in about 10 days. But hoping to see parents and family who are in a Leeds postcode? It has a BD23 postcode?

No chance of a refund I guess.

@Delatron

I’m trying to find the Bradford boundary. I’m due to go and stay in a cottage in Grassington in about 10 days. But hoping to see parents and family who are in a Leeds postcode? It has a BD23 postcode?

No chance of a refund I guess.

www.gov.uk/find-local-council

Put the property postcode in here to check.

Grassington isn’t in Bradford Council despite the postcode.
Leeds isn’t in it.
You’re fine.

Ah thank you. I did do some googling and could see Ilkley and Addingham are affected.

labyrynthloafer

Because it demonstrates the government is panicking and is not in control.“

Alternatively, it demonstrates that in a fluid situation new data becomes available hour by hour and must be acted upon urgently, however inconvenient the consequences.

Yes, I’d be cheesed off if Christmas was cancelled but in the grand scheme, is it really that big a deal? We’re in the North West. Not currently under extra measures but looking at behaviour on our seafront and outside pubs, it won’t be too long for us either.

Numbers were climbing in early March, the Government dragged its heels and we all suffered the consequences. Maybe, just maybe, it has “learned lessons”. It’s done the right thing.

I don’t think the measure go far enough. I’m in Trafford and the bars were packed again outside and inside last night, and from the footage on the news it was the same in the city centre. No-one, and in particular younger people, taking any notice of the new rules. I think they should close pubs and bars in Trafford and the city centre for 2 weeks. I’m so concerned that schools won’t be able to open in September if this continues.

*manchester city centre

It’s ironic that the controlled sports events with invited audiences cannot “road test” their strategies today but thousands of people can swarm around Manchester City Centre as seen on the News. No obvious plans or controls in place. No Police either.

Im pretty sure bar closures will happen in due course tbh.

@RedToothBrush
Agree. And far more likely to actually make a difference than stop you having a cup of tea with your mum in your garden.

Yep. We’ve seen in the US that is was the opening of bars that was a huge problem. Plus nightclubs in Spain.

Surely we need to shut pubs now. Getting kids back to school need to take precedence.

No to bars and restaurants shutting unless Boris is going to get his cheque book out again to pay to furloughed everyone. It's not just pubs it's all the suppliers to pubs restaurants etc the knock on effect it has .
A major truck hire company would probably need to furloughed a lot of staff if there biggest customer was a brewery. You don't seam to understand it's not just bar staff it's so many many more .
Boris is definitely not going to carry on the furloughed scheme so no it's not going to happen.

It’s hard isn’t it. Travel companies are going under, airlines etc. The pub/hospitality industry may go the same way. Can we honestly envisage a time in the next 6 months where going to a nightclub would be a good idea?

I think children can’t miss any more of their education just to keep pubs open. So many people have already lost their jobs and livelihoods due to this. I don’t know what the answer is but making children suffer any more isn’t it.

I went to the indoor gym yesterday and passed several heaving beer gardens en route. But I can't sit in my parents' garden tomorrow as we had planned. It is crackers.

Saying Boris won't close pubs again is missing one great big elephant
Closing pubs and putting millions out of work is less bad than an uncontrolled pandemic
He won't like it, it may be harder to provide furlough, but it will happen if needs be

Surely if people realise the potential for that to happen would encourage people to act responsibly. Currently it seems not

@midgebabe

Saying Boris won't close pubs again is missing one great big elephant Closing pubs and putting millions out of work is less bad than an uncontrolled pandemic He won't like it, it may be harder to provide furlough, but it will happen if needs be

Surely if people realise the potential for that to happen would encourage people to act responsibly. Currently it seems not

Is it really less bad? I'm personally not convinced by that at all.

Unemployment leads to lower life expectancy, worse health outcomes. Poverty kills too.

Boris needs to realise Corona isn't the only threat here.

I will accept what ever measures are in place over Christmas but reserve the right to consider it chaotic if an announcement comes out by text after 9pm on Christmas Eve.

The fact they are doing things so chaotically is not a sign of the fluidity of the situation, it is a sign of chaotic management. They leave everything very late and then have a last minute panic.

Sorry, via twitter not text.

• Mandatory masks in late May /early June
• Indoor pubs should ONLY have opened in August when the virus was more under control.
• ‘Bubbles’ should have been introduced in place of allowing people to mix with different households throughout the whole week
• Places of worship should have remained closed.
• Holidays abroad should have been extremely restricted

Many of us were bleating about this months ago. This would have suppressed the virus even more and placed England in a much stronger position for school reopenings come September.

@islockdownoveryet

No to bars and restaurants shutting unless Boris is going to get his cheque book out again to pay to furloughed everyone. It's not just pubs it's all the suppliers to pubs restaurants etc the knock on effect it has . A major truck hire company would probably need to furloughed a lot of staff if there biggest customer was a brewery. You don't seam to understand it's not just bar staff it's so many many more . Boris is definitely not going to carry on the furloughed scheme so no it's not going to happen.

Please don’t presume to tell us what we understand.

The impact on the economy of closing schools will be far greater than that of closing pubs and bars. Or rather, the impact on working parents, most probably women, who will lose their jobs if there is no childcare, and currently can’t even use family members for childcare either in the affected area -how is it fair and reasonable that grandparents can’t look after their grandchildren to allow parents to work, whereas thousands of people can sit shoulder to shoulder in pubs and bars?

The impact on the economy of closing schools will be far greater than that of closing pubs and bars. Or rather, the impact on working parents, most probably women, who will lose their jobs if there is no childcare, and currently can’t even use family members for childcare either in the affected area -how is it fair and reasonable that grandparents can’t look after their grandchildren to allow parents to work, whereas thousands of people can sit shoulder to shoulder in pubs and bars?

This 👆
Women's careers are getting royally screwed and it's only going to get worse.

It's almost as if the policies and decisions are being made by people who don't need to worry about childcare🤷🏼‍♀️

*Please don’t presume to tell us what we understand.
*I don't think you do understand that closing down a industry has a knock on effect for other industry's that's why I made that comment and if you did understand then people wouldn't suggest closing pubs down .
I will definitely agree that woman are screwed over on all this and especially due to childcare. I've only just gone back to work and rely on relatives for childcare I've no option to carry on if I can't work .

Don’t women work in the hospitality trade? I think closing any sector of trade for any longer is going to cause families untold harm. We have to have an economy without millions and millions unemployed. That’s what we are facing. Vast reduction in tax take. Billions of debt for our children to pay down. No careers much unless you work for the nhs or police or a supermarket. Everyone else more or less shafted. We need a balance of measures and to understand that economic doom brings about significant illness too. It’s just been that we’ve never counted it before.