Lockdown tightened in parts of Northern England

[PatriciaHolm]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Still breaking so no exact detail on location yet but -

"Separate households will not be allowed to meet indoors in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire from midnight, the government has announced.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said an "increasing rate of transmission" had been identified in those areas."

The fact that Andy Burnham supports the government action speaks volumes. They're not doing this for fun - it's to save lives.

Yes but why is there a problem in Trafford not Other nearby areas?

If the issue is people meeting up at the Trafford centre should there be a rise expected in the neighbouring boroughs in the next two weeks.

And if the tc is the problem why is shopping still being allowed there? Should i be avoiding it?

This was always going to be the case - regional lockdowns. I don’t understand why people are up in arms about it. Covid has not gone away. Neither have the restrictions.

I think anyone who carries on with their Eid party which involves mixing households involving young people (including teenagers) and elderly vulnerable people would be foolish, as it seems it is the young people who are the main carriers at the moment.

@Tadpolesandfroglets

This was always going to be the case - regional lockdowns. I don’t understand why people are up in arms about it. Covid has not gone away. Neither have the restrictions.

Because they've not actually targeted the problem at all. In calderdale for instance there are people who live in the arse end of nowhere and don't see passers by for days. Are they part of this "problem" no probably not. Are they still being punished for it? Yes.

Were being punished for something we are not causing and the timing of the announcement and they way they announced it was a fucking disgrace.

Well this is the weekend we are taking DD back to her Fallowfield student house. Great timing. Her Manchester Uni friends are all straining at the bit to meet up again and she's bored out of her brains at home as she's been here since March.

There is so much blatant and overt racism on this thread. People have no shame or fear of blaming ethnic groups when the ACTUAL figures show a clear rise in localised cases has triggered this. Not fucking Eid.

Now I understand why the North voted for Brexit. You are racist fuckers and we see you.

HEAVENS ABOVE !!!!!!

This is NOT a time to worry about “offending”;specific groups. It’s a matter of life and death - not just for human beings but the economy too, which impacts every single person in this country and indeed in the areas particularly affected at the moment.

If a spike is in somewhere, it is the duty of the government and community and religious leaders to get on board and stop the spread. I can’t believe people would rather the virus ripped through these places, costing lives, than have to tell people that Eid and other gatherings are off. Strewth.

@RedToothBrush - Trafford, the borough, not the Trafford Centre. The reason I related my parents' experience at the TC was because it was anecdotal evidence of young people not wearing masks correctly.

The infection rate per 100,000 of the population in 9 of the 10 boroughs of GM is high - in the 30s where it's 5 elsewhere.

So what are they supposed to do? Go round to individual houses and say whether you should buy in lockdown or not? That’s just not possible. I’m sure you can understand that. Also people that live in isolated areas still mix with other folk in the area I’m sure. I don’t think ‘punished’ is the right way to look at it. Sadly we have to take a hit to prevent it getting worse.

I can imagine this happening at Xmas too, but only once everyone has paid/bought stuff-again...the economy!

I was pondering it happening at Christmas last night. What on earth would people who had already travelled to stay with family or friends be expected to do? They would wake up on Xmas morning to find they were breaking the guidelines. Would they have to jump in the car and head home? And what about people who had travelled by train when there are no trains to take them home on Xmas day?

*be not buy!

Can someone tell me if this is allowed?
I live in greater Manchester area, pre booked a few days away out of area and was with my sister and her family. They don't drive I was giving lift to them.
Technically even before lockdown rules tightened not even sure of rules and lifts but surely it's better I gave lift than they use public transport.
I take it this isn't allowed now?

Oh FFS - no one is being punished by these new lockdowns. Have you really learned nothing so far this year?

Those figures I gave earlier are actually higher in some of the new lockdown areas.

@Cherryghost - are you a single person household in a social bubble with your sister's family? In which case you're okay.

Blaming us for it is fucking vile. Two hours fucking notice is vile. Doing it just before Eid is vile without consulting relevant community leaders.
They. Wouldn't . Dare. Do. It. Like. This. To. London/On Christmas Eve.

Useless fucking twats.
#whatwouldDomdo?

@Cherryghost - hang on: re-reading the guidance and not sure you can go outside the restricted area. It's not clear as the guidance doesn't actually say.

The fact that Andy Burnham supports the government action speaks volumes. They're not doing this for fun - it's to save lives.

He's also said that there is a particular concern about rising cases among the Asian community. It's a point that needs properly dealing with, not sweeping under the carpet.

In Calderdale, the number of cases in each area is proportionate to the concentration of the asian community. East Pellon has by far the highest rate and is an area populated almost entirely by the asian community. It would be foolish of the authorities to not be policing and enforcing this lockdown in this area more closely than other areas. How is this is not about race and the behaviour and habits of certain communities?

@southeastdweller , and two hours notice on Twitter is the way to do it?

I’m in GM and round here very few Muslim families BUT big crowds of the 18-25 age groups have been attracting attention and local official social media has been quite vocal that they have been contributing to local spike.

@Tadpolesandfroglets

This was always going to be the case - regional lockdowns. I don’t understand why people are up in arms about it. Covid has not gone away. Neither have the restrictions.

I don't think many people are arguing against the restrictions themselves, rather the way it's been done. I don't for a second believe that the government couldn't have done it earlier, or that they didn't know what effect it would have on people who were planning to celebrate Eid with their families the very next day. The timing was either deliberate, or they didn't care. Either way I can very well imagine it feels like a massive 'fuck you' to the people it affects. It also makes it far more likely for people to break the rules, because they've already spent the money and potentially already travelled to visit family. And once people have broken the rules once they are more likely to do it again.

Puzzledandpissedoff

*People will not abide by it”

In which case, they are foolish in the extreme. and inviting problems.