Are we a couple of weeks behind Spain and France?

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If Spain is v.likely in a second wave and France not far behind them does that mean we are also heading straight in to one again?

Will schools open regardless this September?

Those who take the “it doesn’t affect children badly” line - well it can do, children can die too. Mainly it affects adults badly of course, but children don’t exist on their own ! Children need their parents alive and well, for those who survive Covid it can have long term effects, many of which we may not yet know about.

@bananaskinsnomnom There seems to be general consensus among the experts that indoors is much more dangerous than outdoors, so the experience of beaches and protests is not a reliable indicator of what will happen when (if) schools go back en masse. A lot of people are still spending as little time as possible in shops and avoiding pubs. To the extent that primary schools have gone back it has been done with a general attempt to maintain bubbles of 15 thus have fewer children than usual in each classroom. Most secondary school pupils have not been back at all, and Year 10 and 12s who have been back have not been offered anything close to full-time school. Sending everyone back to school on the same basis as pre-covid is a huge reckless experiment.

There’ll never be a national lockdown again. Small local lockdowns at most.

No way will they do a u turn on schools going back.

The vulnerable will have to keep away from the crowds etc and keep themselves isolated as much as possible.

I agree with another poster- there won’t be another furlough scheme. If local lockdowns happen it’ll 2 weeks without pay.

People will need to wear a masks. It’s a pain but needs must

Sorry new in mumsnet and posted this to the wrong place! And cannot delete. Sorry

We've been at home as a family since March as I'm shielding, dd and ds are 17 (just finished Yr 12) dd needs to be back, she's doing musical theatre and despite doing lots online she's definitely losing skill rather than gaining, as well as the effect it's now having on her mental wellbeing, ds has hardly left his room, he's autistic and would happily never leave the house again. i need to get him out in preparation for going back to college, he wasn't called in at the end of the last school year due to the risk to me, however he had just finished travel training in Feb, was only just making his own way to college finally in march so I've no idea if he's lost that little bit of independence! If they were little it would be so much easier, but it's such a crucial time of thier education im not sure they'll every get those missed opportunities back...

Children need their parents alive and well

Most parents of school-age children are not in at-risk age groups either. Of course children can get it and very sadly a small number have died. Of course adults in their 30s and 40s can get it and very sadly a small number have died. But it’s a balance of risks (as are most things in life) and currently the risk to the health of my child and my family’s overall health and well-being of schools and childcare being closed en-masse again is greater than the risk we face from covid. For people who determine that’s not the case for themselves and their families (I dare say if I didn’t work and had spent a lovely 4 months “making memories” and banana bread I might have a different view too) I’d fully support them removing their children from school without fear of fines.

there’ll never be a national lockdown again. Small local lockdowns at most.

No way will they do a u turn on schools going back.

Agree with this being most likely. Individual schools will be closed by LAs but national government won’t have to do a u turn.

@TSIOU

Hello, We are thinking to relocate to Chislehurst and saw some nice houses near Woodside Avenue and Holmdale road. However, we just heard in the news the stabbings in the nearby pub Gordon Arms. I saw in the news that in the same pub and the area have been a few stabbings and fights in the past few years. We know is London and crime is everywhere etc but these have really put me off - more me than my husband. Would the conservation area around camden park road would be better? I understand that on the £500-550k budget you get more of a flat rather than house in the conservation area (as compared to the streets such as Woodside ave) but safety and the good feel of the neighbourhood is just so vital. We had almost made an offer to a property but now I am holding back. The reason we chose Chislehurst was its good reputation and family feel...but moving next to a pub that such gang fights re-occur seems far from ideal to me. If you know Chislehurst and the particular area I am talking about, please offer some valuable advice. Thank you very much.

Think you’re on the wrong thread hen.

This is a discussion about corona virus.

If you ask NMHQ to move your post to the correct thread, I’m sure you’ll get some helpful responses.

Well said SirVixofVixHall! The posters who are always going on about the need for children to get back to school for their mental health always choose to ignore that losing a parent or having a parent who suffers debilitating consequences of long-term Covid will also not be good for a child's mental health. I agree schools need to get back, but we need to be realistic about what can be offered without being reckless. Realistically, that is likely to mean students back part-time so that a degree of social distancing can be maintained, plus a willingness on the part of the authorities to shut down a school the moment a single Covid case is found, with the school only reopening once the authorities are sure any outbreak has been contained.

@KayEngel

I'm gonna go fucking insane reading this hysterical shite. Goodbye Mumsnet. Will return when the pandemic is over and sanity returns

Joining you

@TSIOU

Sorry new in mumsnet and posted this to the wrong place! And cannot delete. Sorry

If you go to your original post and click on the 3 dots. Click ‘report’ and it will flag post to MNHQ. If you explain it’s on the wrong thread and you’re new they’ll help you.

Good luck

And they’ll move it for you

I'm surprised to read that pp are seeing changes in people's behaviour.

I went to 2 of our local towns for the first time since lockdown started. Both teeming with people; crowds; absolutely no social distancing; disinfecting stations, one-way systems and maximum capacity in shops ignored; staff at the chippie not wearing masks... In 3 hours I saw over a hundred people, only 5 wore masks.

Yes a spike in cases is unavoidable imo. And nobody seems to have the appetite to do anything about it.

@AccountAntsy Lots of secondary school students will have parents over 50! Children don't stop needing their parents once they start secondary school!

I was unsure about whether to go on holiday in France last 2 weeks of August. Now we have decided not to as afraid of having to do 2 weeks quarenteen on returning. Anyone going to Barcelona ATM is nuts.

Very much hoping UK closes borders and stops people going on holiday and bringing it back to UK, or we will be next.

Thank you @2020wasShocking! I just reported it.

Keep safe and sane everyone at these challenging times.

@TSIOU

Thank you *@2020wasShocking*! I just reported it.

Keep safe and sane everyone at these challenging times.

No probs

There will be developments such as rapid saliva testing which will be key to allowing schools to open safely. We need to collectively adapt until science/technology advances to help us out of this. Human nature is so resistant to change but we’re being forced into it with this Pandemic.

The schools will be back full time in Scotland, there is absolutely no reason for them not to be at this point. It’s all fine and well for those wanting part time, I work in community nursing please tell me how I am supposed to home school mine in the event of this ‘blended learning’ nonsense and keep my job/roof over our heads/food on table?

@Oaktree55 I agree that saliva testing is the way forward in telling the difference between common Cold/other winter viruses that my children seem to get every couple of weeks. Then we wouldn’t all need to be off for 14 days every couple of weeks which is neither realistic or sustainable

Most parents of school-age children are not in at-risk age groups either

Most parents, you’re probably right. But a significant portion, absolutely are in ‘at risk’ or higher risk categories. Just think of the numbers having babies in their mid-late 30s and early 40s. I am 50 and have a 10 year old. There are also plenty of people at risk with conditions like asthma, diabetes etc, right from babies through to retired people and that’s before you consider being over weight. Thousands and thousands of people at increased risk with children in school or children themselves.

I hope that if there is a second 'lockdown', things are prioritised differently, so things like access to healthcare and education being prioritised over foreign holidays, pubs etc.

I am mid fifties with two school age children, and I know quite a few other parents in my age bracket. Not all secondary school parents are in their thirties/ forties. I am menopausal which raises risk, plus I have an autoimmune condition as does one of my children.

Exactly. Every day more is discovered and innovated. I understand everyone’s circumstances are different but there needs to be a more flexible approach to life, rather than a let’s revert to normal. Not many are thinking past “get back to normal”. Normal has gone. If you read the detail and logistics re potential immunity/vaccination possibilities this is an enormous task ahead even if things go well. Anyway.