Are we a couple of weeks behind Spain and France?

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If Spain is v.likely in a second wave and France not far behind them does that mean we are also heading straight in to one again?

Will schools open regardless this September?

"I’m hoping those posts from “teachers” saying it’s all fine, we’re safe, we’ll just practise good hygiene are fake. If they are actually teaching staff then quite frankly the kids aren’t going to get much of an education from them"

What a horrible, insulting post! You really are on top form this morning spreading doom on every thread. No maybe we just appreciate that we have to make the best of a bad situation and are willing to accept the risks if it means getting children back to school! What an awful thing to say!

I agree @Jrobhatch29.
I will be working as a TA in September, I have read plenty about the transmission of Covid and am perfectly comfortable with what is happening at our school.

@Jrobhatch29

"I’m hoping those posts from “teachers” saying it’s all fine, we’re safe, we’ll just practise good hygiene are fake. If they are actually teaching staff then quite frankly the kids aren’t going to get much of an education from them"

What a horrible, insulting post! You really are on top form this morning spreading doom on every thread. No maybe we just appreciate that we have to make the best of a bad situation and are willing to accept the risks if it means getting children back to school! What an awful thing to say!

My whole reason for bothering to post is to hope that people make informed decisions. I completely understand if people post saying they understand the risks of airborne spread, the Gov guidance doesn’t allow for this but they will go ahead anyway. I do take issue with the people who say, we’ve got great systems in place, we’ll wash our hands etc etc as this is ignorance of the facts. Ignorance is not something that sits well with educating unfortunately. Sorry if that’s too blunt for you.

@MarcelineMissouri

Honestly, you click on a thread expecting a discussion about France and Spain and yet again it’s been taken over by rows about schools.

And yet there it is, in the OP: Will schools open regardless this September?

Its not blunt its nasty and insulting and your post was totally out of order. Are you seriously implying teachers are not good teachers for being willing to go back? Maybe we are fully aware of the risks, but still willing to go back! You can happy with the systems put in place, just because its not what you think should happen!

No quite the opposite, I think any teacher who is willing to go back when afforded less protection than any other job I can think of for the sake of educating kids is a better person than I am. You misconstrue what I said. I said those saying the systems in place are adequate given what is now known about this virus are ignorant of the facts and given their position as educators they should at least be aware of the science of how this spreads. I think that’s fair comment.

@CallmeAngelina sure, but that has become the sole focus of this thread now. How is this relating to France and Spain any more?

I do agree with what you are saying Oaktree. It seems we are following the science about indoor transmission apart from when it's inside a school. I work in a small special needs school where we have the luxury of space, outdoor classroom areas and a high saff:pupil ratio. We can have small bubbles and when one of these bubbles had to isolate it didn't cause any disruption to the rest of the school. Even so SLT and staff are very cautious about September and have arranged for a staggered return taking 4 weeks before all students are in. Large high schools with 200 plus in each bubble are heading straight back and and I dont know any teachers who are not concerned, knowing that the science is telling us how indoor transmission occurs. It's not so much the worry of getting the infection but more the prospect of the disruption and the expectation the government has put in the guidance that schools need to seamlessly go from face to face learning to remote learning at the drop of a hat. I think it's better that parents are aware of the high possibility that this disruption is coming rather than I rosey picture of everything back to normal. Wouldn't masks be worth putting in place now even to avoid half the disruption?

I’m hoping masks are being planned for pupils, they are mandatory in so many other countries in schools and there are studies showing their effectiveness in reducing flu in schools in Asia. I am hopeful that the Government is easing people into this gently with the introduction in shops first etc, before an announcement re schools. I personally think children will be willing to wear them, especially if the benefits of doing so are explained to them and they are allowed to express their individuality with choice of fabrics etc.

Marceline probably because there will be 8 million school children due back to school in September and this will have an impact on how the UK is able to control this.

[quote MarcelineMissouri]@CallmeAngelina sure, but that has become the sole focus of this thread now. How is this relating to France and Spain any more?[/quote]
Because the question was asking if we were 2 weeks behind them, in terms of possibly going backwards towards another lockdown, which will have an impact on schools, even though all three countries are currently on summer break.

@mrshoho

Marceline probably because there will be 8 million school children due back to school in September and this will have an impact on how the UK is able to control this.

I’m not saying it’s not important - it obviously is. I’m just saying that a disproportionate number of threads end up turning in to solely a discussion about this one issue.

If you notice the psychological approaches the Gov has used “schools won’t be shutting” in March.........response from public “why are schools shut elsewhere and not here?” Few days later ok we’re shutting schools. No masks in schools “surely we need masks in schools”.............Gov ok kids can wear masks. There’s been a clear attempt to get a significant % of the public calling for what they actually want us to do but don’t want to be seen to be forcing.

Well, Mumsnet probably has a disproportionate number of mums on it, who will be directly impacted, come September, if schools have to close again.

Yes thanks, I am a mum of 2 primary age children. I also enjoy discussion about topics other than schools.

My point is that the main question of this post was surely are we 2 weeks behind France and Spain? Schools being one aspect of that. Now there is only discussion about English schools on here, no more discussion about how or if we might be following the other countries that have seen increases and no discussion eg about any conversations those other countries who’s cases are re actually increasing are having about schools themselves. I’m saying that once again it has become a very singleminded thread on what should happen with schools here, instead of a more wider ranging discussion about Europe. That’s all.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/11/covid-19-spain-reveals-new-guidelines-for-schools-as-children-to-return-in-september/amp/

I see that Oak and hope you're right. But I dislike our government's approach as constantly reactionary rather than taking a proactive stance. Some teachers have already been mocked for requesting to wear mask or worse ordered not wear them. Students at my own kid's schools have to remove them on entering the school and are not given any choice. The government have not handled this well.

Guidelines for Spanish schools in September

My school's risk assessment talks about the risks of "poor hygiene". Not a murmur about the risks of airborne infection. No mention of what they are doing to mitigate that risk.

My kids are at three different schools. Have read through 3 sets of documents, into which I can tell staff have put a lot of thought & planning (for which I am hugely grateful) However not a single measure in those plans addresses airborne transmission.
The reason people are so singleminded about this is because we can see there are risks & they are not being addressed. This graph below is my worry :
twitter.com/tomaspueyo/status/1286949806611427328?s=21

@lifeafter50

I feel safe at school, that is allowed. Same here. I wash my hands a lot even in normal times because of norovirus, flu etc. We just need to practice sensible hygiene and get in with it. I have no qualms about going back since pretty much everyone I know had the symptoms back in March and no serious outcomes. Even if we are not immune, no reason to think a second fuse would be more severe. I suspect my SLT might make it optional for children to wear masks if they suffer from anxiety (or their parents have frenzied then into being scared. We need to stop being terrified of this virus -there are massive leaps forward on treatment. Em for this those who are hospitalised. And those who continue to bank oh about ventilators clearly haven't bothered to keep pace with developments.

This from someone who claimed on another thread that they have a new cough but went to the pub regardless. I bloody hope you're not a teacher at my ds's school with that reckless and stupid attitude.

Are English school lavatories planning to be cleaned 3x/day?

Just to be clear, the graph I’m referring to is the one that shows what happened in Israel after schools opened without special measures. My link didn’t work as I hoped, doh!

@mac12 I understand that Israel pretty much opened everything up at the same time - it wasn’t just schools that opened then.

Yes of course but they have explicitly said it was schools that drove the second wave.