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Schools reopening 2

361 replies

oldbagface · 20/07/2020 20:18

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3971862-Schools-Reopening?pg=1

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neveradullmoment99 · 22/07/2020 17:43

Glad I found this thread. Am getting quite anxious about returning for me and my children.

TheHoneyBadger · 22/07/2020 17:46

Perfectly rational response neveradull. Though those trying to sow and deepen discord between teachers and mums will tell you you’re ‘hysterical’. All of our wombs are wandering apparently

neveradullmoment99 · 22/07/2020 17:52

Well i'm from Scotland, so we go back fairly soon. I am a primary teacher. Happy if its safe. Concerned for my daughter who is 13 and at high school. Just when covid started, practices like washing hands were non existentShock

noblegiraffe · 22/07/2020 18:09

Couldn’t agree more about parents and teachers actually having shared interests hence very deliberate decisive tactics to prevent them working together to lobby the real power (and purse) holders.

There was one point when teachers and parents were actually on the same page, and it was during the school cuts campaign, where parents could see exactly how cuts were affecting their own child’s school. It is thought that that campaign was a major influence in Theresa May losing the election and her majority.

Since that happened, support for teachers and schools has just disappeared again. While there were lots of threads about education during the previous election, it was a tumbleweed topic during the last one. Even though nothing’s got better, and tbh things are getting worse (certainly in terms of teacher recruitment and retention), people on MN just didn’t seem to give a shit. I think that schools do too good a job at pretending to parents that everything is just fine. Parents are too oblivious to what goes on in schools and their kids don’t tell them.

Certainly the government have gone all-out during lockdown in smearing teachers in tactics we’ve not seen since Michael Gove and ‘The Blob’. They know that they’ve totally fucked up on the education front and they are trying their damnedest to make sure that they don’t get the blame.

Any parent should look at the free school meals fiasco and wonder what the fuck was the government thinking? That level of competence and care for children pretty much extends to everything they touch.

commentatorz · 22/07/2020 18:12

Can a teacher on this thread who is blaming the government for driving a wedge between teachers and parents please justify the language the teachers' union used for a decent pay rise as "a kick in the teeth"? It's that kind of posturing which is annoying people.

motherrunner · 22/07/2020 18:16

I think @commentatorz you are quoting a journalist who is creating a headline for click bait and subscribers rather than the actual words of a union representative. I can’t read the article as I’m not a Telegraph subscriber but can’t imagine any progressional representative writing a formal comment with the colloquial ‘kick in the teeth’.

motherrunner · 22/07/2020 18:17

The media has a lot to answer for!

Ickabog · 22/07/2020 18:18

@stayingaliveisawayoflife

Yes it is out of my money. Our school budget is so restricted and we have no extra money for cleaning in September.

Many are probably doing the same. Unfortunately the days when we had enough money for all we need have long gone.

When some of the children came back many of us were teaching a bubble that was not our class Mon to Thursday then on Friday Zooming, doing videos and making sure the next weeks home learning was ready for our class. Also answering emails and giving feedback during the week. My favourites were early morning emails!

I can understand why you've bought them, but I think it was the wrong thing to do.

You said I just think if more teachers were open and honest about their reality maybe the relationship with parents would be improved Buying basic items such as hand sanitiser gel, liquid soap, paper towels out of your own money doesn't show the reality of the school situation. I wonder if parents would think differently if they realised the school can't even afford the basics.

Piggywaspushed · 22/07/2020 18:18

Even the headline says 'kick in the teeth for senior teachers' who, by the way, are not getting a payrise of over 3%.

Piggywaspushed · 22/07/2020 18:23

This is what was said by Geoff Barton who is head of ASCL which isn't a classroom teachers' union.

The comments were made as it was revealed that chancellor Rishi Sunak's 3.1 per cent teacher pay rise for September will result in a 5.5 per cent increase in the starting salary for the profession but just 2.75 per cent for the bulk of experienced teachers.
Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: “We do not think it is fair or reasonable that the pay award is much lower for experienced teachers and leaders after years of pay austerity which has seen the real value of salaries deteriorate. This won’t help to keep long-serving teachers in the profession and feels like a kick in the teeth.

As you can see, he is concerned that this unequal payrise affects retention, a huge problem in teaching and he is possibly correct.

No payrise for carers was also called a kick in the teeth by their unions.

SmileEachDay · 22/07/2020 18:24

the language the teachers' union used for a decent pay rise as "a kick in the teeth"? It's that kind of posturing which is annoying people

Teachers have, on average, see a 15%drop in pay against inflation since 2010.

Many of us haven’t seen anything from the last much publicised pay increase.

Entry level teachers are being encouraged in to try and solve the recruitment and retention crisis, with a 5.5% hike in starting salary. This means most other teachers getting 2.75 or less. Those who have been teaching for 5/6 years now will not earn much more than an NQT. That is something of a kick in the teeth, as it’s often those teachers who are supporting the NQTs.

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 22/07/2020 18:27

I am not here to defend anyone but I will just explain about the pay increase. Teachers have not had a decent pay increase for years and as school funding is stretched many schools can not afford this. There is no extra money for this so it will have to come out of existing budgets. This will mean that there will be more cuts which could mean people being made redundant. It could also mean teachers being moved down the pay scale to accommodate the increase.

Newly qualified teachers will get 5.5%. Main scale teachers will get 2.75. This could mean a teacher with a few years in earning less than an NQT. Experienced teachers also get 2.75. %. I think the feeling is that if we want to keep teachers especially in expensive places like London we need to fund that.

I get that the current situation for many is awful and I don't think it's a coincidence that the report which has been in the Government's hands since January has just been released. I do believe that if we are busy fighting amongst ourselves it is a good distraction from what is happening.

I am not a union puppet but I am a union member. I don't agree with all they say and do and I make my voice heard.

cantkeepawayforever · 22/07/2020 18:30

It is also worth pointing out that teachers in academies may well not get this pay increase at all, as academies do not have to follow the Burgundy Book in terms of pay and conditions. One of their freedoms is not to have to increase pay in line with LA-run state schools.

TheHoneyBadger · 22/07/2020 18:33

I just think it’s a waste of energy engaging people who don’t take part in any constructive conversation and just pop up with an inflammatory post intended to cause division and derail conversations that don’t fit the agenda.

It seems the klaxons go off louder when any meaningful or uniting discussion is taking place.

TheHoneyBadger · 22/07/2020 18:35

Yep ours has invented sub payscale points so you discover you agreed to M6 at interview and assumed that was the M6 published on pay tables only to find that it isn’t.

noblegiraffe · 22/07/2020 18:37

Note that we’re now having to defend teachers again because of skewed reporting by a right wing newspaper with connections to the current government?

And it popped up just while we were criticising that government?

DomDoesWotHeWants · 22/07/2020 18:38

Please let's ignore the GFs they are only here to stir.

SmileEachDay · 22/07/2020 18:48

noblegiraffe

Yes. That is an interesting observation.

TheHoneyBadger · 22/07/2020 18:49

I did notice it. I’m sick of taking the bait. Nonsense is posted that doesn’t even merit rebuttal because anyone with a shred of common sense or integrity knows what bs it is.

Ickabog · 22/07/2020 18:49

@TheHoneyBadger

I just think it’s a waste of energy engaging people who don’t take part in any constructive conversation and just pop up with an inflammatory post intended to cause division and derail conversations that don’t fit the agenda.

It seems the klaxons go off louder when any meaningful or uniting discussion is taking place.

Agreed. It's clear some people aren't here to discuss.
Feenie · 22/07/2020 19:23

You can't argue with the terminally stupid, anyway. Imagine getting irate about headline of an article you haven't even read! Grin

VanillaFrais · 22/07/2020 19:23

@TheHoneyBadger

I just think it’s a waste of energy engaging people who don’t take part in any constructive conversation and just pop up with an inflammatory post intended to cause division and derail conversations that don’t fit the agenda.

It seems the klaxons go off louder when any meaningful or uniting discussion is taking place.

Yes I was just thinking the same thing 🧐
Kidneybingo · 22/07/2020 19:53

I think discord between some parents and their schools is sadly inevitable due to it often being difficult to move schools. It's not like poor service at a restaurant, where you don't have to go again, often you have little choice about school. Headteachers know their catchment and during lockdown, will have directed their staff to set work in a way that suits the majority of their pupils. So my school would not have set live lessons because we know that a sizeable percentage would struggle to access the tech. This will undoubtedly have pissed off some of our parents. However we did set solid work, pre recorded PowerPoint etc, and this will have annoyed others who would prefer a printed pack and less work. Some schools were more distracted than others by social issues, FSM, vulnerable children etc. I think pleasing all parents in many schools with a mixed intake would have been difficult even without the hideous budget issues and lack of government leadership.

Kidneybingo · 22/07/2020 19:56

On the issue of transmission. I know quite a number of teachers who were ill with confirmed Covid. Absolutely no proof that this was not caught in school.

ohthegoats · 22/07/2020 20:08

Really interesting post by a well known edutwitter poster this morning about increased level of parent interaction being a key reason why people dont want to be school leaders. It's almost a thing that must never be said, so interesting to have it come from this person. It's almost as if there is something completely wrong with societal approach to education.

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