Schools Reopening?

[ClimbDad]

A major, peer reviewed study into transmission in South Korea has established that tweens and teenagers spread the SARSCOV2 virus more than any other age group.

The study involved more than 65,000 people and used South Korea’s exceptionally effective contact tracing system to look at who brought the virus into households. Tweens and teenagers were the highest index case age group. Younger children transmitted at the same rate as 20-somethings.

This is a large scale, rigorous piece of research that proves children are effective at transmitting the virus. It was conducted in a country that implements strict social distancing and mask wearing among children. The authors say the rate of transmission would have been higher if children weren’t subjected to those measures.

Plans to reopen schools more or less as normal in September will place many lives at risk, and increase the likelihood schools will have to close again. The government needs to acknowledge schools will be highly efficient vectors of viral transmission and change its reopening plans.

Published Paper:
wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

Article on the paper:

www.bloombergquint.com/business/covid-19-spread-fastest-by-teens-and-tweens-korea-study-finds

There’s a lot of “must” and “required” in the “guidance”, but I guess people would know that if they’d read it

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There are no facts darlings. How mundane of you to think there are. Positively tedious. Thousands of dead people? Well that’s your opinion it’s just a silly scare tactic.

All the governments in the world, even sworn enemies, have gotten together to stage a hoax and see how effective their scare tactics are. Why would they do such a thing you ask? Oh I don’t answer questions, it’s beneath me.

You’re all so dreary and basic.

We can all go back and do whatever we like, because none of the government's hand downs need be observed! Hooray! Someone please let the soft play centres know.

openplankitchen You're not making any sense. It's ok to admit you misunderstood, or were incorrect. Spouting confusing and nonsensical statements to try and prove yourself to be correct is baffling.

you will say you are 'aware there are guidelines'.

😂😂😂

@tobee @Pomegranatepompom have you got a link to the London hospital research? Would be interested to see that.

I also agree with Herc - the facts I am referring to are what the guidance said. The guidance did state that, that is a fact.

Like I can say 'The Bible says, in John Chapter 1 'In the beginning was the Word''. It is a fact that the Bible says that, whether or not the bible is factual.

The guidance did say that bubbles had to be no more than 15. That is a fact - it is what the guidance said. They also said that keyworker children must be given priority - that is again a fact, it is what the guidance said.

that each 15 needed an adult in charge of it, and a space to be taught in, is inference - it is not stated, but it is obvious.

That most schools do not have double the number of rooms, and double the number of teachers, at whim, is also factual - go in and count them.

That is what prevented primary schools from re-opening fully.

[quote mac12]**@tobee* @Pomegranatepompom* have you got a link to the London hospital research? Would be interested to see that.[/quote]

It was pomegranate's assertion not mine.

Incorrect bolding in my previous post

There is not anything I’m able to link at the moment - I will be delighted when I can.
I will try and get more info this week - I imagine will be distributed more widely soon. This is just the London paediatric population.

cantkeepaway, Don't feed it.

Apologies, cross-posted with your very wise advice!!

In FACT, in the EY guidance it even stated exactly how many square metres were needed per child. No point doing that f someone wasn't supposed to measure.

Can you imagine how little legal protection schools would have if they had said in June 'nah ,sod all of that, everyone back in, no SD, no bubbles, sod the anti bac and let's have a sing along while Mr Bellamy supports us with his brass band?'

@CallmeAngelina and @TheHoneyBadger have both just referred to me as 'it'. I wonder if other teachers would support their colleagues referring to parents in such a way?

I cannot imagine ever referring to another person as it. Despicable

That is what prevented primary schools from re-opening fully

And is also the complete reason for the completely useless new guidelines removing all of the Covid secure stuff because they realised it couldn't possibly work so rattled out some bad science to support it all.

What is the London paediatric population?

I doubt they do that while at work kitchen ! Off duty here you know! here you can just comment on a person's rudeness if you like, It doesn't have to be tied to their profession.

The fact is that teacher son here are upfront and own what they do in order to provide authority to their viewpoints, which are then still diminished and demeaned.

[quote openplankitchen]**@CallmeAngelina* and @TheHoneyBadger* have both just referred to me as 'it'. I wonder if other teachers would support their colleagues referring to parents in such a way?

I cannot imagine ever referring to another person as it. Despicable [/quote]
No, I'm afraid you've misunderstood.
"Don't feed it" refers to "the nonsense."

Paediatric patients were screened for/on admission to hospital.

Also, the test and trace centre which embarrassingly had to close because it is not following PH guidelines seems to be being treated as if there were rules and facts.

@Pomegranatepompom s research would be good to see because I think something about schools raises transmission and we need to drill down about exactly what it is if the children don't seem to spread it in other settings. I suspect it is numbers and space. There is an interesting article on the daily stats thread about 'transmission budget'. One study quoted found schools took the largest slice of the budget at 50% of outbreaks, which tallies with the PHE stats:

Adam Kucharski: A country has "transmission budgets" for Covid

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/analysis-blm-protests-crowded-beaches-eased-lockdown-have-not/

Dr Kucharski suggests the concept of "transmission budgets",
where the value of R is broken down into its constituent parts,
is a useful one for policymakers looking forward.

"Countries essentially have a 'transmission budget' when it comes to Covid-19," ....
"Global patterns suggest there are only so many things that can go back to normal before flare-ups start happening".

A separate study looked at nine interventions in 41 countries between January and April 2020 and found eight of them to be effective.

Closing schools reduced R by an average of 50 per cent.

Other things that worked included:
closing non-essential businesses (34 per cent);
closing high-risk businesses (26 per cent);
limiting gatherings to 10 people or less (28 per cent);
and issuing stay-at-home orders (14 per cent)
....
"Working out these budgets is incredibly difficult,"
says Prof Hunter, who like many other experts urges caution in the absence of firm evidence.

"We don't know with certainty what the real numbers are for each activity in the UK."

[quote openplankitchen]**@CallmeAngelina* and @TheHoneyBadger* have both just referred to me as 'it'. I wonder if other teachers would support their colleagues referring to parents in such a way?

I cannot imagine ever referring to another person as it. Despicable [/quote]
Seriously please come forward expressing your disgust at referring to another human as 'it'. Or not...

FYI - some loon poster on Usforthem England put a call out asking for trolls some 'attention and evidence' to be brought to this thread specifically this afternoon.

Interestingly, there is a distinct lack of that kind of attention, certainly no evidence and not that many loons ever since. Just the one, really.

A glance at the FB page shows similar calls to several more MN threads along this vein. Ignoring them seems much the best option.