Schools Reopening?

[ClimbDad]

A major, peer reviewed study into transmission in South Korea has established that tweens and teenagers spread the SARSCOV2 virus more than any other age group.

The study involved more than 65,000 people and used South Korea’s exceptionally effective contact tracing system to look at who brought the virus into households. Tweens and teenagers were the highest index case age group. Younger children transmitted at the same rate as 20-somethings.

This is a large scale, rigorous piece of research that proves children are effective at transmitting the virus. It was conducted in a country that implements strict social distancing and mask wearing among children. The authors say the rate of transmission would have been higher if children weren’t subjected to those measures.

Plans to reopen schools more or less as normal in September will place many lives at risk, and increase the likelihood schools will have to close again. The government needs to acknowledge schools will be highly efficient vectors of viral transmission and change its reopening plans.

Published Paper:
wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

Article on the paper:

www.bloombergquint.com/business/covid-19-spread-fastest-by-teens-and-tweens-korea-study-finds

I think all governments have downplayed with good reason except for perhaps trump.

We may also have ordered millions of doses but obviously these haven't been made. Even then healthcare carers and vulnerable will be prioritised. The initial effects of full opening may be evident in Scotland by early October and in England half term. Surely there is no chance of widespread vaccination before that. I'd be amazed if it happened this year.

Obviously my more optimistic opinion doesn’t fit your narrative.

Agree it’s a fallacy sunseekin. And spouted shamelessly by those who couldn’t give a damn about the vulnerable. Especially those who’ve deliberately slashed funding for all children’s services including ss, cahms, schools, community policing etc. Quite sickening.

Well, I know whose opinion I'd rather go with.

It's not easy to keep optimistic when the numbers of outbreaks in schools are as reported.

@Pomegranatepompom

Obviously my more optimistic opinion doesn’t fit your narrative.

It's not an optimism opinion, it's an uniformed one. There's no chance of the vaccine being ready for Oct / Nov this year.

Optimistic not Optimism.

Is this what you teach your kids?!

Well yes, I’m a maths teacher

OK, I will ask the simplest question kitchen which is the by far most relevant.

Have you read the guidelines?

You’re contempt towards experts and professionals open is the perfect illustration of why the world has been landed with bojos and trumps as leaders and why their respective countries have some of the shittiest outcomes in the world.

Personality politics is bs. Knowledge, humility, deferring to experts etc is pretty vital in a complex world. POpularism, hyperbole and spin don’t fair well in the face of reality.

@noblegiraffe

Is this what you teach your kids?!

Well yes, I’m a maths teacher

I know. So you tell your kids their opinions aren't equally valid?

So you tell your kids their opinions aren't equally valid?

If a kid said that in their opinion Romeo is the best character in Macbeth I’d definitely tell them their opinion wasn’t valid.

Well, it all started with Gove saying we shouldn't listen to the experts, I guess.

Obviously she does. If someone says well the square root of 16 is 9 she tells them they’re wrong. The exam markers will do the same. They don’t give marks for opinions

@SmileEachDay

So you tell your kids their opinions aren't equally valid?

If a kid said that in their opinion Romeo is the best character in Macbeth I’d definitely tell them their opinion wasn’t valid.

I'd question the teaching they'd received!

@TheHoneyBadger

Obviously she does. If someone says well the square root of 16 is 9 she tells them they’re wrong. The exam markers will do the same. They don’t give marks for opinions

I'm assuming no one on here thinks this is as simple as a maths equation!!

Can you see kitchen dodging tricky questions like ‘what did the unions block?’ and ‘have you read the guidelines?’?

Just meanders on with some other nonsense.

Are you loving the attention? I am withdrawing. It’s what I do with kids when they’re beyond reasoning and just escalating to sustain attention and prevent the whole class from learning.

All you have actually achieved is to prevent sensible people who want to discuss meaningfully from doing so.

One person has needed all of the attention and all of the air time.

I rather think open is lapping up the attention.

@Pomegranatepompom

I don’t have a link for this yet - but in London hospitals, it has been found that children are low risk and not the little incubators we thought they might be. They are no longer being asked to isolate pre admission.

Haven't seen op respond to this either.

From what I can see, if informed discussions are what we are about,a response would have focussed on why pomegranate has such confidence that vaccinations are imminently available ( but this is being kept secret by the government to ensure SD guidelines are followed?)

Instead another poster was implicitly accused of being a pessimist and spinning a narrative.

😂😂😂😂😂 @TheHoneyBadger

The problem here is there's so little fact.

The guidance printed by the government is fact. You can't argue with WHAT it says, even if you think the guidance is rubbish.

The rest is pure conjecture. None of us know what will happen in different scenarios. Even the behavioural experts couldn't predict it. The top statistical modellers in the country still had a massive error margin. Everything they model COULD be incorrect. The modelling also doesn't take into account all the unintended consequences. (minor one but no one predicted stopping air travel meant weather forecasts go to shit).

@noblegiraffe

Can you see kitchen dodging tricky questions like ‘what did the unions block?’ and ‘have you read the guidelines?’?

Just meanders on with some other nonsense.

Whenever you feel threatened you lash out. Just saying...

@Ickabog I have access to preliminary paediatric data for Covid screening. As soon as I can share a link I will.
Re vaccination optimism - that’s just my personal opinion.