First English pubs to close in Covid scares DAYS after lockdown eased.

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-english-pubs-close-coronavirus-22311408

First English pubs to close in coronavirus scares days after lockdown eased
The Lighthouse Kitchen & Carvery in Burnham-on-Sea, The Fox & Hounds, in Batley, West Yorkshire, and The Village Home Pub in Alverstoke, Hampshire, have all announced a customers has tested positive for coronavirus

[quote ICouldBeTheOne]@Pelleas

Some people stood near you outside? I hope you 'phoned the Police.[/quote]
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[quote ICouldBeTheOne]@Pelleas

Some people stood near you outside? I hope you 'phoned the Police.[/quote]
No, I moved away again. The point is, we are supposed to be staying one metre apart. Are you also the sort of person who drifts around in public mindlessly texting on your phone, heedless of others?

Do you not care about people dying now and who will die of treatable illnesses that can't access treatment? Or the people dying now and who will die due to the socioeconomic effects of the CV response?

If everyone wore masks, we'd keep infection lower and normal health services would be less affected.

As I said before, people only can't access treatment if the number of covid cases exceeds the capacity of the health service to do both at the same time. There aren't doctors and nurses sitting around idly, you know. They've even got whole 'clean' hospitals where they treat for cancer etc where the staff are tested weekly and all patients tested before they attend. This is because, if you have cancer, your chance of dying from covid is much higher too.

The number of covid deaths and the number of other deaths are LINKED they go up TOGETHER. It is the infection that does this, not the lockdown per se. If we hadn't had the lockdown the health service would have been overwhelmed (see Italy) and the number of non-covid deaths would have been higher as well as more covid deaths. And if we all wore masks, lockdowns would be much less likely / less necessary.

But we're not wearing masks. It's only going to end badly, and it's so simple, it's so easy to wear a mask. I just don't get it.

@MonkeyToesOfDoom I can't work out if it's genuine fear or you are deliberately being rude and patronising. As @TrustTheGeneGenie says, no one wants the virus to rip through and kill our loved ones but neither do we want to see UK wide poverty.

I wear a mask, I distance and I ensure good hand hygiene at all times. If I catch it so be it. I don't want this to happen but I do not wish to live in a country that seals people into their homes. Folk shouting for a tighter lockdown baffle me.

Your argument would carry much more weight if your weren't so rude to posters who engage in polite debate with you. Yes it's scary, yes maybe things could have been done differently but hindsight is wonderful and we are where we are. You stay in. Safe that you have done your bit. I will go out safely knowing I've done mine.

I believe the masks thing is just about macho bullshit. Trump won't, bolsonaro won't, Boris won't.

I also don't understand. We'd be loads better off with masks.

We have a gambling PM
Well you say that but really in the mind of Boris it's not much of a gamble is it....the lives of us mere plebs are not important to him, it doesn't matter if the peasants die since they are easily replaceable pawns in the games of the wealthy.

I can't work out if it's genuine fear or you are deliberately being rude and patronising.

Let's put it this way. I'm not scares of the virus. I'm more scared of the shitty type people the Covid has exposed.
Like the other day, someone said,
"Well the majority of Covid deaths were of old people and they were going to die anyway"
Human life is meaningless, the sooner it's eradicated the better. In fact, all those wanting 'normal' should do everyone a favour and have some Covid gathering parties. As it's seen as inevitable or here to stay, something we have to deal with blah blah... may as well just hurry it along and get it out the way.

@Langbannedforsafeguardingkids

even if you got a test Sunday it's unlikely that you'd get a result on Monday.

Well I know several people who've had coronavirus tests and had one myself and in every case they've received results the next day. I received my result the next day. So entirely possible. Positive test Monday, contact tracers and pubs informed same day, journalists will have been actively looking for this information in real time.

It's also possible that some of the people who tested positive were key workers having routine tests or people having tests for reasons other than feeling ill. Many healthcare workers are being tested weekly, in which case they may have had results Sat or Sun. I had my test prior to an appointment at a 'clean' hospital so I didn't have it because I thought I was ill, but because it was a (very sensible) requirement for proceeding with my treatment.

Yes but you may get the result next day but you’ve got to get the test. These people weren’t being tested on the Saturday were they? They were at the pub. They didn’t go straight from the pub and get a test.

@IrmaFayLear well said

@Langbannedforsafeguardingkids

Do you not care about people dying now and who will die of treatable illnesses that can't access treatment? Or the people dying now and who will die due to the socioeconomic effects of the CV response?

If everyone wore masks, we'd keep infection lower and normal health services would be less affected.

As I said before, people only can't access treatment if the number of covid cases exceeds the capacity of the health service to do both at the same time. There aren't doctors and nurses sitting around idly, you know. They've even got whole 'clean' hospitals where they treat for cancer etc where the staff are tested weekly and all patients tested before they attend. This is because, if you have cancer, your chance of dying from covid is much higher too.

The number of covid deaths and the number of other deaths are LINKED they go up TOGETHER. It is the infection that does this, not the lockdown per se. If we hadn't had the lockdown the health service would have been overwhelmed (see Italy) and the number of non-covid deaths would have been higher as well as more covid deaths. And if we all wore masks, lockdowns would be much less likely / less necessary.

But we're not wearing masks. It's only going to end badly, and it's so simple, it's so easy to wear a mask. I just don't get it.

Yes it’s quite embarrassing how much we’re lagging behind on this front.

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Research by the Royal Society’s Science in Emergencies Tasking Covid-19 group, published jointly by the British Academy and the Royal Society, highlighted how far the UK is trailing behind other countries.

The research suggested that, in late April, uptake of mask-wearing in the UK was around 25%, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to the Royal Society.

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@crosseyedMary

We have a gambling PM Well you say that but really in the mind of Boris it's not much of a gamble is it....the lives of us mere plebs are not important to him, it doesn't matter if the peasants die since they are easily replaceable pawns in the games of the wealthy.

Everyone's gambling. We haven't had to deal with this before. We don't actually know what the right course of action is. We can't say anyone toon the wrong course of action until after the face and we weigh everything up. Not just numbers of deaths.

Let's put it this way. I'm not scares of the virus. I'm more scared of the shitty type people the Covid has exposed

Yeah, me too.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Sorry, but we clearly have done badly through taking a riskier approach, we gambled where others were more careful. Don't believe that Germany, Singapore, S Korea, NZ etc have taken anywhere near as many gambles.

Italy IMO was caught unawares - but the UK could see what was coming.

And the countries with highest death rates will also have biggest economic impact.

People probably went to the pubs feeling ill, but they just had to have their pint.

Kind of sad really that the public choose a pint over living.

[quote labyrinthloafer]@TrustTheGeneGenie

Sorry, but we clearly have done badly through taking a riskier approach, we gambled where others were more careful. Don't believe that Germany, Singapore, S Korea, NZ etc have taken anywhere near as many gambles.

Italy IMO was caught unawares - but the UK could see what was coming.[/quote]
We have no idea how bad we've done until it's over. It's not over yet.

You can't decide how well we've done based on the death rate alone. It's not the only thing we need to consider.

We need to consider other deaths that have been caused by lockdown. The economy. The future health (esp mental health) of the general public.

We don't know any of that yet.

You could have a country with a really low death rate, but then thousands of "other" deaths, who have a terrible mental health crisis and a battered economy.

Is that better than a higher death rate, but maybe less other deaths, no mental health crisis and an ok economy?

No, it's not.

@labyrinthloafer

And the countries with highest death rates will also have biggest economic impact.

Again we don't actually know that yet.

We do know the excess deaths compared to other years (all causes) and we know that they're higher than any other country.

We DO know this already.

@Nyancat

The person could have been tested routinely, lots of health care workers and care home workers are now, so could have been tested Thursday/Friday, got the results on Sunday. May never have had any symptoms or reason to suspect it would be positive. This is where tracing should come into its own, if everyone does what they are supposed to in terms of isolating.

That's exactly my tights. Care workers are to he tested weekly as routine.

Glad a lot if you seem to get fast results.The pub owner was allowing 48 hours for results for his staff.
Here inpatient swabs are taking longer than 24 hrs.
I don't know where health workers are getting weekly swabs.NHS workers do not get weekly tests they get swabbed if they have symptoms,my test too 48 hrs to come back,that seems the norm here.
Care home workers are going to get them regularly but not hospital clinical workers.

As I always vainly ask: MonkeyToesofDoom, declare your personal position! Are you retired on a pension? Do you have a secure working from home job? Are you child-free or have no young adult children worried about their jobs or futures?

On the subject of excess deaths,I took this screen shot a while ago as it puzzles me.Look at Germany and us,look at the level of normal deaths for both,Germany's seem much higher than ours except for our peak.

Crosswithlifeatm As those death figures are purely numbers, not percentages, doesn't that just reflect the fact Germany has a larger population than the UK?

@Langismyhero

We do know the excess deaths compared to other years (all causes) and we know that they're higher than any other country.

We DO know this already.

It's not over yet! We know them so far but we're actually under average right now. We need to wait until at least next year before we can start comparing properly.

IrmaFayLear

As I always vainly ask: MonkeyToesofDoom

I don't recall you asking me ever before but ok.

Single parent to a year 2 daughter. Started a new job in march, lost that due to Covid closing the company. Daughter isn't at school, didn't want to take a place of someone who needs to work. Currently claiming UC with no childcare and no help of any sort. My mum contracted Covid in her care home, along with 22 others, 11 died, but she got through it. We're still not allowed to visit.

How that information helps you, is anyone's guess.