Am I OTT or do other people just not care?!

[Lou0808]

Tonight on social media, I've seen several posts from "friends" (and by friends I mean Facebook friends, people from school who I've not actually seen or spoken to in a long time) who are having parties with absolutely zero social distancing.

One particular person has posted videos of people in her house, easily 20 people.
All doing karaoke, drinking shots, dancing.

Another post from a separate person is a picture being in a pub hugging three girls captioned "missed my besties"

A work colleague posted a picture of her young niece saying she's staying over at her house, again hugging her.

I don't mean to sound like the "fun" police. I know we've all desperately missed our friends and families, but the situation is never going to improve unless we follow the guidelines.

I have a 4 month old DD and I've love nothing more than for her to have a cuddle with my mum and her other grandparents, but I just wouldn't allow it.

I desperately miss my friends, I'd love to have them over and hug them, but I wouldn't do it.

Am I being over the top? Am I right for feeling pissed off at people just not following the rules?

I just feel like it's going to drag things out even longer if people just do as they please 😔

@ladybee28

Two men in a boat.

One's drilling a hole in the floor.

"What are you stressing about?" he yells, when he sees the second man's horrified face. "Fuck's sake – I'm only drilling on my side!"

Just about sums it up

OP, YANBU

I do despair of so many people just not caring at all. The 'AD' threads on here make me realise what a scientifically ill educated nation we are.

Lockdown did exactly what it was meant to do and, now that it has worked, people are complaining that it was unnecessary. How short a memory do you need to have to realise that hospitals were overwhelmed just a month or two ago?! And, when that happens, it is not just COVID treatment that is rationed but cancer treatment, diabetes treatment and all the things that we all depend on our healthcare system for.

And, if people ignore social distancing completely, it will come back. Is there any reason to believe it won't, short of magical thinking? Look at Djokovic and his tennis tournament in Serbia.

Hopefully, we will have a vaccine by October (ish) and then we can get back to normal life. We definitely have not got it perfect, but the government are doing their best. I would say school before pubs, but at least they are trying to unlock bit by bit and see what happens.

People going to mass gatherings with no social distancing are being selfish. There are no 'dementors', there are people making public health evidence based policy to try to optimise both health and the economy. Sometimes they get it wrong and some are hypocrites. However, we know more than we did in 1918. How about we actually use that knowledge?!

There won’t be a vaccine by October though @larrygrylls. Even by the end of 2020 seems a push.

BusterGonad

Totally Agree......

I find it really sad that most people are looking at this from a 'self' position. It's all about weighing up their own risk and focusing on how much they want to do fun but non-essential things like see friends or go on holiday, not about what's best for all.

A few weeks ago, over VE day weekend, we were all talking about WWII and the bravery of our countries elderly people who fought in/survived it. Now nobody seems to give a shit about them, they just want to flock to the beach like mindless twats because they're not likely to die.

There are still rules. We should ALL be abiding by them.

Think a 'mild' case of Covid-19 doesn’t sound so bad? Think again
Otherwise healthy people who thought they had recovered from coronavirus are reporting persistent and strange symptoms - including strokes.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/coronavirus-covid-19-mild-symptoms-who

The cases have dropped down dramatically. Today’s stats were one of the first that I’ve felt really hopeful that cases are declining and we might get more tastes of normality . Winter is obviously a worry but if you compare 350 cases with other infections that we worry about, it’s tiny. I’m sure there are many more undetected but I feel much more confident that the government will get new outbreaks under control.

At the end of the day, life has to get back to normal soon. We can’t live like this forever - the government is in terrible debt and it looks like there will be a depression.

However, people shouldn’t just forget social distancing - as life gets back to “normal”, it will gradually happen so social distancing will probably take place for the foreseeable future.

I’d say the people in the pubs not observing social distancing were in the minority though, but maybe that’s just from what I’ve seen

The whole point of social distancing is that it isn’t about the individual, it’s a collective responsibility to protect wider society and as with the NHS, the healthy have a responsibility to protect the sick and vulnerable. Unless you’re a wealthy Tory tosser, then it’s all about me me me and I’m alright jack.

Absolutely this !!! This should be published everywhere. I have just had the same conversation about all these "caring" people who are actually showing their true colours now and have the attitude of " I'm not high risk" so they carry on regardless , I'm alright jack.

I feel like it's a complete disrespect to all the people who have spent 3 to 4 months isolating and to our wonderful NHS when I see all these idiots out not social distancing.

@Lou0808 please don't let anyone make you feel shit for trying to protect your family the best way you see fit. I absolutely do not think you are going OTT.

There are still rules. We should ALL be abiding by them

You can go to the beach, shopping, out for food and see friends all while following the rules

Not all at the same time obvs

There is always a few people that say lockdown is over and off you go and do what you like THE VIRUS IS NOT GONE if you want to keep your family safe and like me have small kids and pregnant I am social distancing still and will be for long time

Oh my how the thoughtless selfish people justify their actions. You are certainly not OTT

You are not being OTT, ive had Covid, id happily stay in a year if it means i wont get it again, it was horrendous, im fit and healthy no other issues. Ive never ever been that ill ever, and dont want to be. Keep you and your daughter safe. But do other things, facetime zoom ect to keep you connected.

you are not being OTT Folk disregarding guidelines is stupid and selfish

Natural selection, if it were a killer disease for everyone this would be a great opportunity!!

@Lou0808 you are not at all being OTT. CV has decreased but it is still out there. A pub in our area has reshut because a customer has since tested positive for CV.

The police were pretty hot on enforcing the rules during lockdown and I think they still should be with people having parties and flouting the rules. Otherwise when will this end?

My 80 yo parents are still shielding and are really nervous that they may still catch CV as well as fed up that they are still stuck at home

@larrygrylls

actually the hospitals were not overwhelmed.

There were none of the scenes seen in Italy or Spain, with sick people stacked in corridors, or routine ventilator rationing. The Nightingale hospitals barely saw a patient. A&Es have been suspiciously quiet. Yes critical care wards have seen a lot of COVID patients, and yes many (mostly older folk) have not made it, but that is rather different from “hospitals overwhelmed”.

Tricky one isn't it.

On the one hand government guidance is clear that you should still socially distance inside or out unless you are in a support bubble. However if you point that out you will be accused of being a dementor.

Lots of people feel like they can get back to normal and some have done so throughout. This is justified by discussing that life has to get back to normal risk is part of life and lockdown is doing too much damage etc. The risk is lower than it was in march certainly because of the lockdown and stories about healthy 41 year old spending months suffering in hospital are rebutted with arguments about you having more tm chance being run over than dying of covid if you're under 60 etc.

At the end of the day some people don't care because there is little risk to them and the effect on someone they don't know doesn't matter to them. All you can do is follow the guidance yourself and protect the people you know as best you can.

At the end of the day some people don't care because there is little risk to them and the effect on someone they don't know doesn't matter to them. All you can do is follow the guidance yourself and protect the people you know as best you can.

It is true some people don't care or 'don't believe in the virus', but I think for a lot of people they realise that life has to go on and are trying the best way they can to navigate that. We can't all stay in lockdown, the virus was already here and lockdown was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. We can now go out and shop, go to the cinema, eat out etc. I think most people do their best but are now risk managing for themselves.

Maybe so but the op is taking about people having parties ignoring current guideline s on social distancing or 1m plus etc. We are now able to go to the cinema and pub etc. I personally don't have an issue with that but I do with people using life must go on as an excuse to do what they like. The problem with risk assessing for themselves is that many people will risk assess only to them and their acquaintaces and not to society as a whole which is what the government is trying to do. People may not have the understanding to do so effectively and let's be honest lots of people use it as an excuse for self centered behaviour.

Walk,

I think that you have it right. We need to move closer to normality, especially with regard to work and education. In addition, we can now enjoy restaurants and pubs if we just take some basic precautions. However some of the gatherings I have seen are just plain stupid. They are opportunities for one infectious person to infect 20-30 more. There just is no good excuse for it.

Sonineties,

Whether hospitals were or were not overwhelmed is something of a moot point. People were actively encouraged not to attend unless turning blue, people went to hospital well beyond the level at which they would normally have been admitted and got sent home and, in some hospitals, oxygen came close to running out and they had to ‘economise’ by aiming for 90% saturation rather than the normal 93%. Cancer treatment was effectively stopped at a cost of maybe 35,000 lives (according to a recent Times article). We avoided the optics of trolleys in the corridors but not the outcome. I think we had one of the worst IFRs in Europe.

Aquatech,

Do you know there won’t be a vaccine this year?

The Oxford group has already started a Phase 3 trial in Brazil and is hoping to have a vaccination available in October.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.amp.html

Maybe so but the op is taking about people having parties ignoring current guideline s on social distancing or 1m plus etc.

Yes but there have been and will be people who flout the rules, you can't control that. I've increasingly seen it on MN and in real life, people using excuses so they can behave as they wish. My point was, and was put across badly, that op cannot control those people but I do believe a majority of people are trying their best to stick to the rules and navigate life after lockdown.

You are not being OTT.
The messages clearly have not been clear enough.
Yes, we are taking what should be cautious steps out of lockdown.
2m whenever possible, minimise the number of contacts, minimise the length of time of close contacts,, outdoors is better, fresh air flow if not.
Kids and staff in the neighbouring school were all in full coats etc the other day. Sheeting down with rain so had to be indoors, but all windows wide open. Minimising the risk of transmission.
That's the stage we should all be at, so tes, you can go to the pub. But sitting outside the pub is better, with no more than 5 friends, all at least 1m distancing if from different households, or just from one other household. Close contact, prolonged contact, contact with more people reduces the risk of spread. You may get away with it. Everyone you know may get away with it. But you may not. And others certainly will not.

Reduces the risk? increases the risk.