Leicester facing full lockdown

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According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

@TorysSuckRevokeArticle50

Just to give an idea of how diverse one small area of Leicester is in terms of wealth

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchType=SALE&locationIdentifier=REGION%5E9604&insId=1&radius=0.0&minPrice=&maxPrice=&minBedrooms=&maxBedrooms=&displayPropertyType=&maxDaysSinceAdded=&_includeSSTC=on&sortByPriceDescending=&primaryDisplayPropertyType=&secondaryDisplayPropertyType=&oldDisplayPropertyType=&oldPrimaryDisplayPropertyType=&newHome=&auction=false

Evington goes from 5 bed detached (£685,000) to 1 bed high rise (£75,000) all within a small are with a population of around 11,500

It is not a pit of drug addled poor people working for a pittance and spitting on each other to spread disease.

Very true that their is huge disparity within areas. Where I live just outside of the city boundary there are huge properties within a few hundreds metres of socially deprived areas. No one said it was a pit of drug addled poor people - I was talking specifically about the city centre where I see drug dealing on a regular basis on the back streets close to where I work and at 8am there are people sitting in a catatonic spice induced state at the clock tower. I am not making it up and neither did I say the whole city was like this of course not. Neither did I say people spit on each other, they spit on the ground.

@Chaotic45

Unfortunately I have seen this many times with my own eyes including gatherings of 60+ in parks, and neighbours had a large party. I'm not actually there (in my bubble!) but kids tell me nobody is distancing apart from them. That said the outbreak is confined to a certain area and based on 2 week old figures. It may have significantly improved, or the numbers inflated by extra testing for mild cases.

Just like Cheltenham was, and all the football matches that were allowed to take place before we locked down and wasn't there a concert too?

Unfortunately, some people didn't do what they were told. They went along despite having symptoms, they didn't social distance, they didn't wash their hands, etc. It's that which will cause spikes etc - i.e. people not taking the precautions and arrogantly thinking they're special and won't catch it nor pass it on.

If everyone followed the rules/guidance, there'd be no infection hot spots and no need for lockdowns etc.

I am in Leicestershire I am FUMING over it

They've been saying for months that local lockdowns could be the solution without actually planning (or completing any plan being proposed).

Now that one is needed, instead of implementing it right away, they are umming and aahing and panicking about how they will do it, meanwhile cases could go up.

Totally agree. Regardless of whether or not the current situation in Leicester requires a local lockdown, the government needs a very specific plan in place as to when they will be needed and how exactly they will work and be enforced. As with everything else during this pandemic, they make announcements about things without having an actual plan in place. The whole purpose of local lockdowns is to contain infection rates so there is no risk of needing a national lockdown again.

Well some of these stories about the state of central Leicester are quite disheartening to read and believe me I'm not romanticising the place! I don't go there much anymore but it holds a place in my affections and I don't like it being called an absolute shithole when it's only a bit of a shithole!

Seriously, lots of good things about Les-ta. But clearly not pandemic control...

They'll need to use the army, it's the only way of getting tight enough lockdown; if everyone's disregarding distancing in one area despite knowing there's an increase in cases then it's hard to see what else could be done.

Bit insulting for those of us in Leicester complying very rigidly to the restrictions and social distancing as it won't be "everyone" disregarding distancing. Not sure what you want the army to do either.

Why are some people on MN so bloody obsessed with us all being controlled by the army?

Why are some people on MN so bloody obsessed with us all being controlled by the army?

Because there aren't enough police officers to enforce anything - especially in evenings and weekends (a large proportion work family friendly Mon-Fri daytime hours only). We need more feet on the ground and the only way to do that is the army.

No one is thinking we need armed military on the streets - that's a step too far, but unarmed military could easily be used for routine work, such as roadblocks, just like they're already being used to help at covid drive-in test facilities.

(My mum's friends) have a strong faith, so meet regularly in local place of worship - again where social distancing has not been adhered to

Hang on - I thought places of worship had been closed for the duration ... ?

No one is thinking we need armed military on the streets - that's a step too far

mmmm, wouldn't be quite so sure that NO-one is thinking that. Would bet you that quite a few people on here do indeed want that.

Why do some posters seem to delight in the prospect of Leicester locking down? Pointing the finger?

Would you be so smuggity smug if your quaint little hamlet was impacted?

Very easy to criticise our inner cities and urban areas when you live in ivory towers disconnected from reality.

They can't just announce a sudden lockdown

Yes they can. Whether they do is another matter, but the emergency powers exist.

And if the hope for preventing a second peak is by agile local lockdowns when there are clusters/hotspots, then it is exactly the sort of this we should be seeing (and supporting)

I think it has to be on no notice, to minimise the numbers heading off to second homes, other family etc

@Puzzledandpissedoff

(My mum's friends) have a strong faith, so meet regularly in local place of worship - again where social distancing has not been adhered to

Hang on - I thought places of worship had been closed for the duration ... ?

From the govt website:

“ From Monday 15 June places of worship will be permitted to open for individual prayer in line with social distancing guidelines.”

Of course you can imagine how ‘individual prayer’ is difficult to enforce.

They will reopen for collective worship on 4th July.

*Indian households have higher income than white households on average

any statistics around that?

@Puzzledandpissedoff as I said, not everyone is sticking to the guidelines. Some places of worship in Leicester have allowed meetings to take place during lockdown . They reopened officially on 15 June.

Would you be so smuggity smug if your quaint little hamlet was impacted?

er no, because I live slap bang in the middle of a city.

@HandsOffMyRights my little hamlet is v close to Leicester. If they lockdown we will be badly affected in lots of ways. But that would be preferable to the alternative of things spreading unchecked.

Thanks, Redolent and Chaotic45 ... I'd seen that, but unless I've got it wrong (always possible!!) the PPs remark made it sound as if the friends' attending the place of worship was an ongoing thing (especially since "his friend thinks it's all nonsense" and "they're all continuing to break lockdown as usual")

There are a lot of multicultural families in Leicester. We live in Leicestershire and hope we don’t have to go into lockdown. We haven’t had that many deaths.

Apologies, Chaotic45 - when posting I failed to notice it was your post I was originally referring to

Surely, though, a place of worship would be one of the easier places to monitor and close down if they were breaking lockdown, especially since they tend to meet at set times?

There is something about Sage thinks local lockdowns would not work here in the UK

Regional lockdowns are 'unenforceable' and could lead to 'significant disorder', Sage warns
'Anger arising from communities who perceived they have been locked down unfairly would be directed at police in the majority of cases”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/28/regional-lockdowns-unenforceable-could-lead-significant-disorder/

"Imposing local lockdowns could lead to ‘significant disorder’ and be unenforceable with current technology, the government was told by advisors.

In papers released at the end of May, the Security sub-group, which feeds into the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) warned that splitting off areas would not be suitable for implementation in Britain.

Experts from Keele University argued that there were important differences in the political cultures of Britain and countries like China and South Korea, where local lockdowns have been successfully enacted.

It would also make people feel angry when they realised they were no longer ‘in it together’ with the rest of the country, psychologists warned the government, and said it may even cause sick individuals to conceal their illness for fear they would be stigmatised for causing their area to be locked down.

“We believe that are several reasons why it would not be suitable for implementation in the UK and that it could a) undermine the consensus that has been built on the need for restrictive measures and b) lead to significant issues of disorder,” the experts wrote.

“The measures as proposed would entail the use of state power in an unprecedented way that could be perceived as discriminatory."

Maybe this is why it has not happened, yet

Surely it is possible that relatives from usa/brazil/india/pakistan will visit and need quaranine but members of the house will still go out to school or work?

If we arent going to have local lockdowns may as well justlet it spread. We cant even be bothered to enforce
Contact tracing
SI
Quarantine when coming here