Leicester facing full lockdown

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According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

@Babyroobs - compared to other comparable cities Leicester really does have a low overall crime rate. The problems with the City Centre were created when certain well known companies left Granby St / Humberstone Gate and the spaces were filled by betting shops and takeaways. Then you had the high cross / curve developments which seem to have happened at the cost of the Haymarket / Humberstone Gate side. The council needs to encourage investment back to the city properly.

As for Watermead well it is still one of the only parks in Leicester where as a woman I would be completely safe to walk through in the evening. Especially since the walkway was built. Thurmaston / Rushey Mead as an area is fairly safe.

The BBC article specifically mentions:

"Leicester East MP Claudia Webbe has called for a lockdown due to a "perfect storm" of poverty, positive tests and higher ethnic diversity.

She said: "I don't know why they're not enforcing a lockdown - the evidence suggests there should be one.""

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506

[quote GrumpyHoonMain]@Babyroobs - compared to other comparable cities Leicester really does have a low overall crime rate. The problems with the City Centre were created when certain well known companies left Granby St / Humberstone Gate and the spaces were filled by betting shops and takeaways. Then you had the high cross / curve developments which seem to have happened at the cost of the Haymarket / Humberstone Gate side. The council needs to encourage investment back to the city properly.

As for Watermead well it is still one of the only parks in Leicester where as a woman I would be completely safe to walk through in the evening. Especially since the walkway was built. Thurmaston / Rushey Mead as an area is fairly safe.[/quote]
I would never walk in Watermead alone in the evening. There was a horrific rape of a young girl there not long ago. I feel safe in the day time but never the evening.

If it’s on the BBC it’s almost guaranteed to be a distortion of the truth.
About the only thing I’d trust on the BBC is the weather and they aren’t to sharp on that either.😂

What the fuck are the comments about racism and xenophobia?
Are some people reading a different thread to me.
I'm getting sick of every single discussion being labelled racist.
I hope all you little drama llamas enjoy sitting there watching our reality. Twats
it's our reality too you twat

@Layladylay234
We were getting the same awful and uninformed comments when Weston hospital was shut. People love a negative stereotype, it makes them feel superior so that they can pretend this couldn't happen in their area.

Most of the posters on this thread are from the area FFS

@ChipotleBlessing

Of course they’ll stop people travelling in and out. That’s what a lockdown is.

What? The whole country was on lockdown when Cummings drove nearly 300 miles to his parents house, how would people be stopped from travelling in and out?

I live in London and I would have welcomed an earlier lockdown in London. We were repeatedly told "London is around 2 weeks ahead of the rest of England", but we didn't lockdown until the same time as the rest of England. Friends working in the hospitals in London said they were really struggling with the numbers of covid patients before we locked down, in contrast to friends in hospitals in other areas who had a manageable number of covid patients.

It makes sense to have different restrictions in different parts of the country when the spread of the virus is very different in different areas. This will be increasingly the case as the virus is clustering, e.g. outbreaks around particular workplaces/ groups/ schools/ families.

The obvious problem is if it causes people to flee the lockdown to other areas, unknowingly taking the virus with them. So you will need some restrictions on travelling out of the area, and also for the public to have confidence in the process, a confidence that the localised lockdown will be proportionate and reasonable and they won't end up trapped for months on end.

Because they are more likely to live in poor housing, face structural racism limiting access to healthcare, and be deprived. Its nothing to do with being BAME per se though people have attempted to explain it as being genetic etc. Sadly it comes down to racism and no we are seeing more of the same, vis, 'it's their fault for spreading it'.

It's really complicated in that certain jobs such as food processing are disproportionately done by ethnic minorities, likewise 1/3 of taxi drivers are Bangladeshi or Pakistani.

Also diabetes is a risk factor and that's associated with diet which is linked to poverty but also to culture.

Jews have the highest death rate and this is probably because of culture/religious factors.

In general poor people of all races have much worse health , more likely to be overweight , diabetic, smoking, lots of factors.

There will be cultural and religious differences but a very large element is occupational.

I live close to Leicester. Here's a perfect example of how local lockdown won't work unless enforced. My mum's friend lives in Evington with his wife (both in their 70s), their three children with their spouses plus grandchildren (5 grandchildren).

One of their children is a hairdresser, he has been cutting hair in other people's houses all through lockdown. Another child is a personal trainer and has offered training sessions in either their own or other people's home gym, sessions have included people from different households. The other child works at Glenfield hospital which due to its world class heart and lung wards offers echmo so takes the sickest covoid patients from all over the county.

Three grandchildren are back at school full time.

They have a strong faith, so meet regularly in local place of worship- again where social distancing has not been adhered to.

My dad has just called me so say his friend thinks it's all nonsense. They are all continuing to break lockdown as usual.

I'm not suggesting this situation is unique to leicester. But I am saying that local lockdown needs careful planning and enforcement because a core of people are creating a potential second crisis.

I have reported this to local police but was told that only major breaches of lockdown will be acted upon.

Irresponsible scaremongering.

When the crisis began, some lived in fear that there would be army road blocks on every corner, that all neighbours would report every movement and even that our cats (!) would be forced inside

This needs to stop. The media is whipping this up into a frenzy, people get scared, others go on a witch hunt to demand areas are quarantined 'Years and Years' style. Just stop with the hype.

Good thing no one has done that then. As we know, the BAME population is much more likely to have a poor outcome from Covid, we also know they're, sadly, more likely to catch it for whatever reason.

To be clear, the BAME community has been much more likely to catch covid-19, but adjusted outcomes after catching it are not clearly worse.

The risk of infection will be because of.employment, housing , transport , cultural factors, location (much more likely to be in city centres less likely to be in rural areas)

I hope all you making comments with racist and xenophobic undertones

Many illnesses are linked to genetics. It doesn't have to be racist to point that out.

Some races have poor eyesight. Some are more susceptible to diabetes. LOADS of health conditions are connected to race and that means genetics. Black women for example have stronger collagen and rarely have pelvic prolapses. It's not racist to say that- medical facts.

Many Chinese people lack the gene that controls the effects of alcohol so they get drunk easily - their bodies can't convert alcohol easily.

And there is the cultural issue- Asian families tend to live in bigger multi generational families.

They may have language issues and this can create barriers to understanding health messages or seeking help.

None of this is being racist. it's surely recognsisng genuine differences.

They've been saying for months that local lockdowns could be the solution without actually planning (or completing any plan being proposed).

Now that one is needed, instead of implementing it right away, they are umming and aahing and panicking about how they will do it, meanwhile cases could go up.

Up here we've got NS talking about Scotland eliminating the virus. What utter nonsense. Its only in hibernation until we are all allowed out again, to shop, eat, drink, travel etc.

@ShootsFruitAndLeaves I live in a village close to Leicester. I accept your points but the reality here is not as you describe. Yes, some areas are like that but in other areas we have a very affluent Asian population. They live in enormous homes, have highly paid jobs and are represent the most well off people in the city.

The affected areas do have a high proportion of BAME people but they include some of the most affluent areas of the city.

I'm choosing my words carefully. I do not want them to be misunderstood. I'm just trying to set the record straight.

It's all media spin for clickbait. Strange how some people seem to be looking forward to a full lockdown.

It won't happen no matter how much you wish for it.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves
Yes but much of the BAME community in Leicester is very highly educated and wealthy as has already been discussed. There are of course areas less with higher numbers of lower income BAME residents... I don’t think what you have said is the full story.

I truly love Leicester Btw. I’m not a local and didn't study here but I think it is a fab place.

I mean born and bred local. Live here now...

Just to give an idea of how diverse one small area of Leicester is in terms of wealth

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchType=SALE&locationIdentifier=REGION%5E9604&insId=1&radius=0.0&minPrice=&maxPrice=&minBedrooms=&maxBedrooms=&displayPropertyType=&maxDaysSinceAdded=&_includeSSTC=on&sortByPriceDescending=&primaryDisplayPropertyType=&secondaryDisplayPropertyType=&oldDisplayPropertyType=&oldPrimaryDisplayPropertyType=&newHome=&auction=false

Evington goes from 5 bed detached (£685,000) to 1 bed high rise (£75,000) all within a small are with a population of around 11,500

It is not a pit of drug addled poor people working for a pittance and spitting on each other to spread disease.

@chaotic45 this is true in general in that as I mentioned earlier, Leicester is not so much BAME as 'Indian', and Indian households have higher income than white households on average

However I guess there is higher housing occupancy for cultural reasons, and you'd also have to look at the source of outbreaks. It's perfectly possible it's collected to social/religious practice but in general rich areas have low rates of covid-19 and mass outbreaks are far more likely to be from factories etc.

I dont know much about Leicester , but average disposable household income is the lowest in the country. So I'm not sure your narrative is accurate!?

The problem at the moment is that if Leicester has high infection rates, which itself is hard to check because it depends on testing , then we'd need to isolate it to to specific groups , employment, districts , etc.

"Strange how some people seem to be looking forward to a full lockdown."

I think there are some people getting off at the thought of it. Some weird punishment fetish.

[quote MRex]@user12699422578 - don't spoil the fun![/quote]
🤣 So I’m not the only one biting my tongue, then?