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Leicester facing full lockdown

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Ifailed · 28/06/2020 12:25

According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

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woodhill · 02/07/2020 17:48

Last time I went to Ingoldmells it was 1982 to the caravan park and the highlight was Tommy's bingo😊

anon5000 · 02/07/2020 17:50

I expect Tommy's Bingo is still there. Ingoldmells doesn't change much 😂

woodhill · 02/07/2020 17:56

Ahh did love Lincs, my relatives were there, but could be coming there on route in the near future Smile

anon5000 · 02/07/2020 18:20

I'm not knocking Lincs really I spent many a happy childhood holiday on the Lincolnshire coast,

woodhill · 02/07/2020 20:26

Yes I really liked it and will return at some point

AlecTrevelyan006 · 04/07/2020 12:52

very interesting (imho) article posted by a doctor in Leicester

Leicester’s Unnecessary Second Lockdown
lockdownsceptics.org/why-leicester-doesnt-need-a-local-lockdown/

a few snippets

By May, positive cases averaged around 10 a day and deaths were continuing to fall. In late May, we started swabbing every single admission to the hospitals, and this is where things get interesting. I work in a department that isn’t respiratory medicine. This means that the patients who are in our area are there for other health issues that are not caused by COVID-19 (think surgery or mental health). Of those we swabbed, just 1% tested positive and all of them were asymptomatic. That rate has been steady since May 23rd. I believe that our patients are representative of the rate in the UK population and, for what it’s worth, it’s the same story in Manchester, Leeds and Guildford, where I’ve been comparing notes with colleagues. Unpublished data shared on an open forum from Leeds, Manchester, Sussex also confirms this – 1%, all asymptomatic when testing positive. These patients have, almost without exception, not developed any symptoms, although some have had household members with a cough.

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We have also brought in two mobile testing stations into these areas, just so we can find all of these people with the virus, which, as I say, are almost certainly no more than 1% of the population. So lets get this really clear: we have locked down based on unreliable test results which may contain multiple positives for one person, all accompanied by a falling rate of hospital admissions and death

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The final reason we don’t need to worry about the risk of overwhelming the hospital is the age of the people affected. The median age of those with a positive community test is 39. The risk of a 39 year-old dying from COVID-19 is less than that of them drowning (based on the ONS data). Thirty-nine year-olds are out at work, particularly 39 year-olds who live in North Evington, the worst affected area in Leicester city. Over 95% cases are in under-65 year-olds, again at substantially decreased risk. North Evington has a higher than average population who were not born in the UK, and have fewer qualifications and work in manual jobs. They live in smaller houses with less outside space. This means that they have not had a middle class luxury lockdown with working from home and sitting in their garden.

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The only other thing I want to address is the myth of Covid and children. We had one child with COVID-19 in our hospitals back in May and none since. Public Health England say in their report “that the number of children with positive tests remains relatively static”. We absolutely do not need to worry about our children or teachers under the age of 65. The research worldwide is clear. However, they have shut our schools again. Education is the best long-term route out of poverty, the best thing we can do for vulnerable children and we are punishing them for a disease that isn’t even making our population ill.

Local Lockdown in Leicester is purely a tool of control. It’s a threat to make us behave. We weren’t actually misbehaving for the record – our protests have had lower numbers and less violence than the national average, we haven’t been going to any beaches – there aren’t any – and the vast majority of the population have taken the random rules of lockdown very seriously. Be warned. Given our cases have already started falling, they will be able to call this a success in two weeks. By then it might be your turn.

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randomer · 04/07/2020 13:13

That is a very interesting article.

purely a tool of control. It’s a threat to make us behave.

Alex50 · 04/07/2020 13:31

Umm it is worrying how much control the government can use under the name of covid. The law changed yesterday, it is now illegal to have a gathering of more than 30 people.

www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/c19/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-social-distancing-rules-england/

crosseyedMary · 04/07/2020 13:49

What about separate gatherings of 30 people 2 m away from another gathering of 30 people
what about socially distance gatherings of gatherings?

Alex50 · 04/07/2020 13:54

If you have a government that wants to control it’s population, Covid must be a godsend. I’m not saying that is what our government wants but it’s a very fine line.

randomer · 04/07/2020 15:26

Why woul dthe government want to control us?

Parker231 · 04/07/2020 15:52

What has a Covid pandemic got to do with a government trying to control us?

rosie39forever · 04/07/2020 16:20

why would the government want to control us
If you have a government that you legally can't question you can't hold them to account and they can do whatever the hell they like with no consequences.

rosie39forever · 04/07/2020 16:21

They have also introduced massive amounts of emergency legislation to remove civil liberties and human rights..... I wonder how many of these will be reinstated when this is all over🤔

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 04/07/2020 16:50

They have passed one Emergency Powers Act, and it has a sunset clause, so will come of the books at a maximum of 2 years after it was passed, but they have to withdraw it sooner if the pandemic has ended before that.

Groups like Liberty are keeping a close eye on this and will not hesitate to launch actions (such as calling judicial review) if the government's actions are not proportionate

The Tories are usually all for small state, non-intervention, free-market, economy above all else; for them to have deprioritised all they usually stand for to save lives shows how serious an uncontrolled peak would have been

crosseyedMary · 04/07/2020 17:14

is it not axiomatic that govts want to control the citizenry?

Catonaroof · 04/07/2020 22:30

Has anyone got up-to-date figures for Leicester? I think during the two weeks before lockdown round tei, cases were about 140 per 100,000 population, and hospital admissions were 6-10 per day. I've not seen any updates on these, but maybe I'm jumping the gun by a few days?

Catonaroof · 04/07/2020 22:31

Two, not tei. 🙄

PatriciaHolm · 04/07/2020 22:44

@Catonaroof

Has anyone got up-to-date figures for Leicester? I think during the two weeks before lockdown round tei, cases were about 140 per 100,000 population, and hospital admissions were 6-10 per day. I've not seen any updates on these, but maybe I'm jumping the gun by a few days?
Here - seven day rolling average shows continued drop - the different colours are the positive tests announced as having taken place on those days, as there is a data lag (e.g. some announced tomorrow will actually be for yesterday, for example).

data would suggest it was falling before it even went into Lockdown, but need a few more days data so be sure.

Leicester facing full lockdown
PatriciaHolm · 04/07/2020 22:44

(graph courtesy @rp131 on Twitter)

Catonaroof · 05/07/2020 07:30

Perfect, thank you! I'll give them a follow on twitter!

Derbygerbil · 05/07/2020 07:47

The median age of those with a positive community test is 39.

True, and the risk for the 39 yo is very low... but that’s not the point, if Covid becomes widespread in the community, the older and more vulnerable will get it too if not contained.

Derbygerbil · 05/07/2020 07:53

Leicester wasn’t locked down because it was in the midsts of a Covid crisis, but to prevent a crisis from occurring.... Prevention is better than cure.

The Government could have waited until Leicester’s ICUs were at breaking point and shut down, but it would have spread well beyond Leicester at that point and we’d have undone the months of lockdown - that would have been bad for health, business and our general well-being.

Whether you think lockdown was right or not, the fact is we’ve had it... and thinking it’s a good idea to follow the same path as led us to the first lockdown is madness, and will do far more harm to businesses and livelihoods nationwide than a localised lockdown.

caramac04 · 05/07/2020 09:14

No scenes of drunken revellers in Leicester last night but some trouble in county areas outside of lockdown.

PatriciaHolm · 05/07/2020 10:07

Leicester wasn’t locked down because it was in the midsts of a Covid crisis, but to prevent a crisis from occurring.... Prevention is better than cure.

Well yes, but surely if that was the driving force, lockdown should have happened as cases were still going up, surely, not after they had started coming down? Combined with the (current) view that hospital admissions were not going up, this suggests that possibly, in situations where the outbreaks are fairly clearly linked to specific places, lockdowns of this magnitude may not be necessary. We do need more data, and realistically the govt couldn't have done much else at this point, but it may well inform future approaches.

The most worrying implication is that govt didn't actually know what the situation was as the pillar 2 data wasn't there. Hopefully going forward that will be less of an issue.