Leicester facing full lockdown

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According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

www.racingpost.com/news/latest/leicester-await-bha-confirmation-as-tuesday-evening-card-hangs-in-the-balance/440059

Pity the BHA didn't cancel the fixture at 9am!

@user1497207191

How big were the BLM protests in Leicester a few weeks ago? Just asking?

Not as big as the ones in London. Just answering.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Why aren’t we testing people before they even get on a plane to the UK?

Because that's going to slow things down at the airports and we can't possibly do anything that will upset the aviation industry.

There was an article the other day saying that a very high percentage of Covid cases have come in from Pakistan.

It's not just Pakistan, we have planes for Iran, from China, most of the cases at the beginning of the spread here came from Madrid. We did nothing. We still have the half arsed quarantine no one bothers with.

So this quarantine thing, can someone answer me a query pls?
Let’s say I have a relative arrive from abroad. They are dutiful and stay inside my home for 14 days as per guidelines. I go about my business as normal, working and seeing other people, shopping etc but all within guidelines.
They have potentially infected me so I’m now a spreader. But I’ve seen nothing that discourages me from doing exactly that. Have I got that wrong or is the whole system a pointless waste of time, even for those who believe they are complying?

That was how they had second outbreaks elsewhere. Let a load of migrant workers in, quarantined but sharing a house with others who then spread the virus elsewhere

The simple fact is that the only people who could possibly give any indication of where the virus is being spread are the Government and Public Health England.

They are choosing not to do so and have stated unequivocally that they don't think it would be useful to publish the detailed data.

I truly do not believe that the people of Leicester as a whole have dismissed the guidance or broken the rules anymore than any other city have. Yes some people have been idiots or selfish but the minority not the majority.

Certainly if I look at my colleagues, friends, family and acquaintances from DDs school, DHs work... they have been following the guidance, most of us haven't even formed family bubbles or had friends round in the garden like we could have done. only 26% of the children eligible to return to DDs school have done so as the families preferred to keep to distancing.

I do however think that a lot more people will dismiss this lockdown now and will break the rules. Everyone is fatigued by it and its very difficult to understand how staying home and distancing will help when 1.5 miles down the road people are sat in a beer garden getting pissed with their mates, or having their hair done.

They will have to scare the shit out of Leicester’s population to make them abide by the guidelines or very heavy fines.

I find it all quite odd, as there are many Asian communities up and down the country, living in crowded, multigenerational households and going to mosques. Why Leicester? Why the secrecy about the data from the government?

I’m seeing so many posts mentioning Pakistan here, planes full of people and the high rate of infection coming from there. I just want to point one thing out. There is not a particularly high population from Pakistan in Leicester, in fact, at the last census less than 2.5 percent were British Pakistani. If this spike was due to planes bringing COVID infected people over from Pakistan, you would be far more likely to see the spike in places like Bradford, or Birmingham. The Vast majority of the local Asian community here in Leicester is of Indian origin.

This was already pointed out earlier in the thread, but people are thick.

Leicester has more Kenyans than Pakistanis.

@Whoknowswhocares

So this quarantine thing, can someone answer me a query pls

The official HMG guidance is here...

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

From which:

"How to self-isolate in your accommodation
You should self-isolate in one place for the full 14 days, where you can have food and other necessities delivered, and stay away from others. You must self-isolate at the address you provided on the public health passenger locator form.

This can include:

your own home
staying with friends or family
a hotel or other temporary accommodation
You should not have visitors, including friends and family, unless they are providing essential care. The only friends and family who you can have contact with are those who travelled with you or people who you are staying with."

Make of it what you will..but IMHO like much of what has been introduced in the UK it was brought in for the "optics" so don't expect too much joined up thinking - it hasn't really been thought through and there was no intention of strictly enforcing it or any will/means to do so.

As an aside I'm still perplexed by the continuing claims that airlines have HMG in their pocket.

If that were really true there would never have been an inbound quarantine in the first place..

If that were true BA, Ryanair and others wouldn't be taking HMG through the courts in order to get said quarantine relaxed or removed.

The governments choice to publish the data or not however if they don't then nothing will change. Everyone will still carry on doing what they have been doing because it couldn't have been them. To stop the spikes we need to know as much as possible about why or how they may have occurred.

Why the secrecy about the data from the government?

Actually, I am not sure the problem is secrecy. This is what the press seems to assume but they are very often wrong. The government did not have granular Pillar 2 data up until very recently.

SAGE papers dated by June 9 discuss plans for "integrating Pillar 2 data into the NHS digital data processing service". The target date was June 22. Looks like it was partially done and it enabled the government to see the scale of Leicester issues.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895845/S0520_HDR_weekly_update_for_SAGE.pdf

/s means I was being sarcastic, so no idea why my post was deleted ,considering MNHQ is happy to let actually racism stand.

If that were really true there would never have been an inbound quarantine in the first place

There wasn’t, practically. It only came in a couple weeks ago after months of wrangling and it will be scrapped soon.

You really are on a mission, aren't you, anon5000?

I gathered your post was not a serious racist remark, but I don't think "/s" is a universally recognised symbol, so of course you were deleted.

But even with the sarcasm, it was still an unwarranted and nasty remark.

Whether it is because of one particular reason or a perfect storm of several why the R rate in Leicester is increasing, we need to know why as quickly as possible.

Nope it was in response to the stupidity expressed on this thread.

And nasty.

Flights from all hotspots either cancelled. Or the passengers pay for room at hotel if they dont own a property etc.
Gov always so cheap. They also should have quarantined elderly leaving hospital before care homes.
They just dont seem capable of the tough decisions.

Anyway an outbreak doesnt necessarily mean people arent following rules. There is NO protection in schools. Factories/meat processing sewms a big issue. Could have even been spread by the hospital getting a few cases then to the community.
I do think any form of worship (communal) should be off for the duration for all religions - inside anyway. Just too many people, it's a known risk.
Infections in 1/1700 is stull pretty high when you consider schools and churches and businesses.
1 group singing together can infect all of them so it only takes 1 thing like that to cause an outbreak. 1 school doing an assembly all singing for eg.

Let a load of migrant workers in

Let " them" In?

We've been here before haven't we?

How would you like it phrased randomer?

They were migrant workers, let in at a time when most inter country movement is highly controlled, because people like cheap labour, into over crowded conditions, with no true quarantine imposed , probably because the migrants could not afford it and no one else want to pay for it

Dont make cheap assumptions

Ah i see he visited his girlfriend which answered my earlier question.