Leicester facing full lockdown

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According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

So which immigrants are pp blaming for the Leicester outbreak
if only 2.5% of the population there are of Pakistani origin ?

Indians, who are 28% of the population ?

• nationally, they have a higher average income than whites, btw

White British who are 45% ?
Other whites 6% ?

Who else is there to blame ?

Because they think it proves that the rich, i.e. those who can do these things are to blame for everything

No it proves that personal responsibility is only demanded from the poor.

No it proves that personal responsibility is only demanded from the poor.

At the time of the ski holidays and Cheltenham no personal responsibility was demanded. Stop trying to find blame where it suits your agenda.

"At the time of the ski holidays and Cheltenham no personal responsibility was demanded"

No legal requirement or official advice, but it was reckless behaviour - as we now know:
Ski holidays and large public events brought the initial cases into many European countries

The wealthier cohort of the British Indian population in Leicester are Hindu or Sikh.
The poorer cohort of British Indians in Leicester tend to be Muslim.
They mainly live in different areas of Leicester to each other.
Many Leicester Hindus & Sikhs do not or will not mix with Leicester Muslims.
I'm originally from Leicester & I can tell you that there is a lot of of covert racism not just between different religions but whether you are a Pakistani Muslim (considered the best) or Indian Muslim (second best).
And then what caste your family belong to or belonged is also a big part.
It's very sad.

PHE have said that CV was mainly brought into the UK from travellers coming from Europe, this happened because the UK Govt chose not to shut its borders and then have no quarantine either.

Put the blame where it lies, UK Govt or more accurately Johnson and Cummings.

Why reckless? Many trips to Italy were booked by schools months in advance, Italy was seen as safe and some Austrian resorts were hushing things up. There was no advice and all airports everywhere were open. Masses of tourists travelled all over the globe.

What the poster I'm replying to implies is that the blame for bringing COVID here lies with the families she sees as wealthy.

What's reckless are the many mass gatherings over the last few weeks against the official advice and when we were already looking at relaxing the lockdown.

as we now know

20 20 eh?

What's really pissing me off right now, is that this thread has turned into a 'which filthy group shall we blame for the Leicester lockdown' fest, while there are several threads in active where people are talking about all the ways they will be breaking the eased rules.

• we can stay over at people house now, yay, no way are we even going to try to follow the social distance requirement while we're there.
• councils have said they can't open some playgrounds as can't staff the cleaning requirement, fuck them we'll just climb the fence, or tear down the tape.
• can't wait to go for a drink at the pub, meeting loads of my friends there, don't care that they've said just 2 households.

@TracyBeakerSoYeah that’s interesting. It’s not only white people who are racist.

Im dreading the pubs here reopening We have three in the town centre right opposite each other near a big Tesco (one of the staff members told me one nice thing about the lockdown was less drunks coming in) and 3 mins down the road a Wetherspoons and a few other pubs elsewhere in the town centre.

"20 20 eh?"

There had been plenty of publicity about the virus beforehand.

@BigChocFrenzy

So which immigrants are pp blaming for the Leicester outbreak if only 2.5% of the population there are of Pakistani origin ?

Indians, who are 28% of the population ?

• nationally, they have a higher average income than whites, btw

White British who are 45% ?
Other whites 6% ?

Who else is there to blame ?

I'm not blaming anyone but the eastern Europeans who live a lot to a shared house in overcrowded conditions could potentially be spreading the virus, as could people working in low paid factory work. Indians may have a higher income but in my village there are huge houses with sometimes 6/7 cars on the huge driveways indicating multi generational families all living together. People of all ethnic groups have been out in crowds. I suspect the main spread is in factories where the owners pay poor wages and don't really have the health of their workers at heart. Leicester has a problem with modern day slavery and people trafficking.

@TracyBeakerSoYeah

The wealthier cohort of the British Indian population in Leicester are Hindu or Sikh. The poorer cohort of British Indians in Leicester tend to be Muslim. They mainly live in different areas of Leicester to each other. Many Leicester Hindus & Sikhs do not or will not mix with Leicester Muslims. I'm originally from Leicester & I can tell you that there is a lot of of covert racism not just between different religions but whether you are a Pakistani Muslim (considered the best) or Indian Muslim (second best). And then what caste your family belong to or belonged is also a big part. It's very sad.

Absolutely agree with this.

Who owns the factories and are the landlords of the inadequate housing mainly?

As I thought

So the conclusion of this thread is it's the foreigners who are spreading the virus?

Not the nice white people who always follow the rules. Yeah right.

I'm not going to be drawn into details but lets just say in the course of my work I can absolutely see how the money is made.

Is this "furriners" dialog going on in Leicester itself? I sure hope not.
The ethnic Asian people in Leicester I know about, who have covid, have lived there all their lives or 50+ yrs. They simply are not foreign.

However, sadly true about how the different Asian communities don't mix. The Pakistanis & Bangladeshis actively avoid each other, too (fought a war 50 yrs ago, doncha know).

@Babyroobs

So, whose job is it to enforce H&S, housing and employment law?

The buck stops with the Government of the day.

whose job is it to enforce H&S, housing and employment law?

Don't overlook the role of the council

It's really important to vote in your local elections. A llot of what it's so easy to blame the government for, is actually down to how your council prioritises matters. Vote

I'm probably missing something here but given that most if not all the possible contributing factors postulated by many on the thread - poor / over crowded housing; cultural differences - existed way before C19 arrived what delayed the huge surge in cases in Leicester until quite recently, or rather did something else alongside existing factors light the touch paper.

The peak of case numbers - as published at least - in England was pretty much first two weeks in April. From the published PHE case figures - vast majority pillar 1 at that time - based on specimen date there were around 45 cases per 100,000 both week ending 5th and 12th April, declining a bit to just under 40 w/e 19th ; and around the 30 mark by w/e 26th April, and down to low 20s for w/e 3rd May

Leicester had a cases per 100,000 rate of: 42, 45, 27, 31 and 23

Leicester was therefore spectacularly average.

I know some will argue that Covid-19 had not made it out of London yet; stuck in traffic on the M1 somewhere near Milton Keynes or held up by signalling work on the railway outside Wellingborough.

I would counter by suggesting look at:

Cumbria - 84 cases per 100,000 in both w/e 5th and 12th April; and still over 50 w/e 19th.
Sunderland - 100, 115, 86 cases per 100,000 in those three weeks.
Knowsley 85, 88 and 72 cases per 100,000 in those three weeks

If there was a genuine "lockdown guidance does not apply to us" mentality would this have not been prevalent from the outset?

So why the delay in Leicester, and the delayed surge? Was there actually a quite good compliance with lockdown for the best part of two months and then suddenly a widespread "sod it" ? Or did the initial relaxations, due to some of those specific local conditions, perhaps make a surge inevitable?

If it is still there the Leicester Mercury had a great graph of cases over time.

As others have rightly said the data , as far as possible, needs to be made public so what happened and why can really be understood - and avoided for the future.

As others have rightly said the data , as far as possible, needs to be made public so what happened and why can really be understood - and avoided for the future.
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Absolutely this as something has lit the candle on top of the icing on the cake.

A very pertinent post, boys3 - I too would like to know "why now", when as you say Leicester appeared to be doing pretty well, and many of the contributing factors suggested may have been in place all along

However, whether we'll ever find out the truth about this is anyone's guess