Leicester facing full lockdown

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According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

I agree the pubs aren't likely to be a key factor but slowing the opening of places of worship certainly will be

Unfortunately, as we've learned today, too many places of worship failed to close in the first place, so slowing their opening wouldn't necessarily come into it

@TerrapinStation, that's just where the A47 goes; I'd not wish to speculate on motivations for its usage in either direction :). I suppose though as Leicester is fairly central, the North Norfolk coast provides the nearest beaches, although I don't think Hunstanton has been as packed as Bournemouth, or primarily frequented by the good people of Leicester.

More seriously the M1 and M69 do provide quick and easy links to other major conurbations.

@Babyroobs have you seen it somewhere official though- I can't see it on the PHE website and that is where people are claiming it is from. I am concerned that it's not official but it's gone viral so people are taking it as true.....

Benefit sanctions are back this week. What happens to ppl in Leicester who have to go to the JC

Will they be sanctioned.

[quote Chaotic45]@Babyroobs have you seen it somewhere official though- I can't see it on the PHE website and that is where people are claiming it is from. I am concerned that it's not official but it's gone viral so people are taking it as true.....[/quote]
A local community fb has posted it and says it will be on the public health site tomorrow, they are still tweaking it apparently ! The group that posted it on my fb are the kind of community co-ordinators who have co-ordinated volunteers, sewing of scrubs for local hospice and hospitals, food deliveries for shielding people so I just kind of assumed they had some notification form somewhere official because they must have links with the council. It could be misinformation but they are not the kind of group to post unverified things generally.

@Chaotic45

No one has said that infections have spread within school. It's been interpreted that way by some people. My interpretation is that the infection rate has soared, so some young people will be affected and as such schools need to close.

Feel free to disagree, it's just my interpretation and hopefully I won't get abused for it!

The BBC is reporting that 6 schools have had to close in June in Leicester due to outbreaks. But if, as they are also reporting, 10% of the whole country's infections in the last week have been in Leicester, that's a lot of infections, and it's hardly surprising some have made their way into schools, schools are not immune to surrounding outbreaks. 6 out of all the schools in Leicester seems pretty low to me?

@Chaotic45 I’ve seen that map on our local Facebook page too but no links provided. Maybe we live in the same village!

@Babyroobs yes that's the kind of group that are sharing it on my feed too (along with other 'spotted' type pages). I don't think they would deliberately spread misinformation, bug they would probably do so without realising and it's now everywhere. I just wish I could find it somewhere official.

[quote Adelais]@Chaotic45 I’ve seen that map on our local Facebook page too but no links provided. Maybe we live in the same village![/quote]
Is it Birstall ?

It would be easier to enforce restrictions in smaller areas

that would seem a sensible approach.

What is likely to be the unfortunate reality is that the rationale for whatever area is finally confirmed probably won't be forthcoming. Assuming it will be based on some sort of logic - I appreciate with this government something of a leap of faith - being open about that should be the best approach.

Are you saying that hundreds of thousands should suffer so it doesn't look like a few thousand in a small area are the highest risk group?

It's a hideous decision to have to make, but if panda's figures are correct, and if it turns out that the major spread really is among the asian community, then yes I believe it likely that officials would restrict a much larger area rather than risk blame being put on our asian friends

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Are you saying that hundreds of thousands should suffer so it doesn't look like a few thousand in a small area are the highest risk group?

It's a hideous decision to have to make, but if panda's figures are correct, and if it turns out that the major spread really is among the asian community, then yes I believe it likely that officials would restrict a much larger area rather than risk blame being put on our asian friends

And if that was the case it will make divisions between communities even worse. How can any government justify that?

Is that why there is so far a dearth of information on who exactly makes up the spike cases?

I don't think anyone has links to the map. I'm not in Birstall, so definitely being shown in different groups.

Im in South Leicestershire.

I've seen that map on loads of groups tonight. I'm kind of hoping it's close to the official one as it puts us of scope!

I agree with you completely, Terrapin; it could indeed make things even worse, since in the absence of real information people too often invent their own "facts"

Personally I prefer to know the truth so everyone can have a clear, honest discussion, but cultural sensitivities - while obviously admirable in themselves - are often allowed to stand in the way of this

@Babyroobs no but close to Birstall. I have a feeling they may include some of the areas just north of the city boundary like where I live, as most the cases are in the northern part of the city.

This is daily mail which I would usually not read but it's the only place I can find the map that isn't a random Facebook page

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8472239/Midlands-city-forced-stay-restrictions.html

I'm not really following the arguments others make about this needing to be super strict to succeed.

Most folk don't have ...
...2nd homes to go to
...friends to go stay with
...lack of principles, would travel or shop or socialise if they had symptoms or exposure history
... limitless time & income to use up to go shop somewhere far away

My friend has Asian relatives in Leicester among the recently diagnosed; it sounds like they were meeting indoors & getting within 1m of family & friends. Renewed lockdown will mean that kind of socialising won't feel ok to most people. I reckon the Lockdown will mostly work in Leicester.

@lljkk I'm from Leicester and I totally agree with you. I honestly don't think people will travel far and wide. But as well as protecting people outside of our town we need to protect those within it too, and that will be more difficult as so many people have chosen not to follow the guidelines.

@lljkk

I'm not really following the arguments others make about this needing to be super strict to succeed.

Most folk don't have ...
...2nd homes to go to
...friends to go stay with
...lack of principles, would travel or shop or socialise if they had symptoms or exposure history
... limitless time & income to use up to go shop somewhere far away

My friend has Asian relatives in Leicester among the recently diagnosed; it sounds like they were meeting indoors & getting within 1m of family & friends. Renewed lockdown will mean that kind of socialising won't feel ok to most people. I reckon the Lockdown will mostly work in Leicester.

The problem is that it only takes one selfish person to venture out to a restaurant on the weekend to infect multiple other people. They can be completely asymptomatic also. They might now that they’ve been exposed.

We can’t weld people into their homes as they do in China. But it looks like we’re also unwilling to do what Germany recently did, which is identify the apartment blocks where infections where high and then cordon them off with police presence.

They might not know*

@Babyroobs I'm not from Birstall but I have their spotted page on my feed and Thurmaston too. Both are sharing the map as if it's gospel. I suspect it's close to whatever the official guidance will be, but I'd rather see something that I know is correct IYSWIM.

The map is fake. Look up Alberto Costa mp on Facebook

@Redolent I don't think anything will stop the likes of that one infected selfish person. But stopping the vast majority would be a huge step in the right direction.

[quote Chaotic45]@Babyroobs I'm not from Birstall but I have their spotted page on my feed and Thurmaston too. Both are sharing the map as if it's gospel. I suspect it's close to whatever the official guidance will be, but I'd rather see something that I know is correct IYSWIM. [/quote]
Yes definitely.