Leicester facing full lockdown

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According to the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53206506.
Anyone living there - how do you feel about this? Personally I would feel terribly trapped, almost like I was being punished, like when teacher's used to keep a whole class behind due to the behaviour of a minority.

I'm not sure that you were, in fact, accused of racism.

The risk of death involving COVID-19 varies across religious groups, with those identifying as Muslims, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh showing a higher rate of death than other groups

According to the last ONS data I saw it was Muslims and Jewish people with the highest death rates (which can be explained by religious festivals falling within lockdown). The Hindu / Sikh death rates were lower but there were important festivals in February, way before Lockdown. I imagine (and hope) the people dying may have been hospitalised from Feb-March and that the new cases identified amongst all BAME groups are milder.
I’ll be honest I am dreading winter. The prospect of catching flu and covid-19 together is terrifying.

If everyone followed the rules/guidance, there'd be no infection hot spots and no need for lockdowns etc

What rules? they are at best "guidelines" or "common sense

In which case if everyone had followed the guidelines and used their common sense then we wouldn’t be looking at places having spikes.

A lot of these areas that are having spikes are the ones that haven’t changed their habits.

I'm from Leicester, I live in Western Park which is basically in the city centre.
It feels a bit surreal at the moment but I work in education and am aware of the school closures etc
Leicester has a very large portion of people who live in multigenerational homes, this has been highlighted as a reason for the outbreak.
I'm concerned as I have a husband, daughter & parent who are all extremely vulnerable.

@ Oliversmumsarmy - proof please because I do my Indian food shopping in Leicester and EVERY tiny little to big cash and carry shop I have been to has implemented not only social distancing but also insisted customers and staff to wear face coverings and gloves. People have also been thrown out for not observing the rules within the shopZ It is the chains (Sainsburys, Tesco etc) where people are allowed to go crazy and not follow the rules.

@Foxes157

I'm in Leicestershire close to the biscuit factory. I'm expecting that I'll possibly be included in any measures.

Ive adhered to the rules and will be annoyed if we're placed back in lock down. I'm angry for those that have chosen to break lock down, it's not just the horse fair there was also a large blm demo in the city centre 2 weeks ago. I said at the time I would be expecting a spike from it. 4000 prople crammed around the clock tower, it wouldn't be possible to social distance.

But if it happens it happens, and there is nothing I can do about it.

What was different about the BLM protests on Leicester that they could possibly be the only ones in the country that caused a spike in cases?

It's really not to do with that, the timing doesn't work either. Hopefully the investigations will be thorough and find out the exact reasons and won't shy away from identifying any race related issues if those do trun out to be relevant.

It's also extremely unlikely that if widespread beach going and massive protests didnt cause spikes that one smallish gathering of any nature will do so.

In which case if everyone had followed the guidelines and used their common sense then we wouldn’t be looking at places having spikes

Guidelines are nothing more than wish lists, do you have guidelines for your kids or rules?
Then there is good ole common sense, yours or the guy committed to a secure unit?

According to the last ONS data I saw it was Muslims and Jewish people with the highest death rates (which can be explained by religious festivals falling within lockdown).

erm, not really. Jewish people have high death rates presumably because of Jewish cultural practices. Muslims might have death rates because of religion, because of employment patterns (1/3 of taxi drivers are Muslim men, for example), or other things. We can't really say that religious festivals is the only reason - that's extremely unlikely indeed.

Also the Muslim deaths occurred in March/April with very very few in May, and Ramadan didn't start till 23rd April, and the festival didn't occur till 23 23/24 May, by which time covid-19 was very low indeed, and there's no evidence for deaths as a result.

This is the future for us all. Outbreaks here and there, confined lockdowns rather than country wide.

But let's all go abroad on our holidays and take the risk. Who cares anymore? The virus spread all around the world within a matter of weeks back in Feb/March due to International travel. It will do so again, I have no doubts about that personally.

The virus is just waiting for hosts to infect, hasn't gone away at all. Look at the USA, Lisbon (the poster boy/girl for months so far but now?) and other places.

We've been doing Zoom church for weeks, very difficult to understand why other faiths couldn't do this as well rather than physical gatherings which were not permitted

I believe other faiths were shut down. Do you have evidence this is not the case?

There is seemingly a link with bame, and larger clusters/ groups of people- so case of Leicester extended families living together,
also quite high poverty in some of the city wards, and a bame population higher than ave, all drives up risk rates. I have family in rural Leicestershire who are waiting with baited breath at where boundaries get drawn...

@Alex50

This is a bit frightening. What happens when furlough stops and you town is put into lockdown and you can’t go to work? My husband works in London, we live 40 miles away, at the moment our new infections rate are low but if this changed and we had to lockdown and my husband couldn’t go to work, how would we pay our bills?

Use savings if you have them, claim benefits if you don't. It's my biggest worry and it's why we won't be going to pubs/eating out/going on holiday. We've got too much in savings to get benefits so there's no point in spending now on non-essentials. We'll need our savings to live on.

It was being discussed on this thread earlier?

This is the future for us all. Outbreaks here and there, confined lockdowns rather than country wide.

In that case, why wouldn't one take the risk, go on holiday etc? If that's life from now on, one needs to try and live it, not hide indoors and wait for the economy to collapse entirely.

@MaxNormal

This is the future for us all. Outbreaks here and there, confined lockdowns rather than country wide.

In that case, why wouldn't one take the risk, go on holiday etc? If that's life from now on, one needs to try and live it, not hide indoors and wait for the economy to collapse entirely.

Going abroad is never going to help the UK economy apart from our airlines and airports who charge premium for everything anyway. And it is a shit experience, god knows what it will be like now.

Not going there.

High street travel agencies, buses, trains and taxis that serve airports, hotels for passengers and airline staff, mtce industries for all previously mentioned.....the airports themselves.
The overseas travel industry supports millions of workers.

However, the "new normal" is likely to be another very severe 2nd wave and travel, both domestic and international, will stop.

We have passed an entirely artificial peak brought about by measures that are now lifting. We have probably over ninety percent of the population still susceptible, and that is with the optimistic assumption that those who have had it developed at least a temporary immunity. If this country is not very careful it's highly possible that all the last few months of disruption will have done is rewind us to where we were just before lockdown, and now we are pressing play to let the whole sorry saga spin out again.

Unfortunately this country is not very careful. The government made some terrible mistakes at the beginning of this and have learnt nothing, they are doomed to repeat them. Many of the population are a toxic combination of selfish and stupid. The rest of us, possibly even in the majority, are watching in horror.

The government have been woeful in managing this from the outset. I think people need to think for themselves because we cannot rely on BJ. If I lived in an area with a spike I would be reigning things in and having minimal contact with people, I know this isn’t easy when you have to go to work but you can stop any social contact outside of the essentials (work, food shopping, urgent medical appointments).

Alex50
This is a bit frightening. What happens when furlough stops and you town is put into lockdown and you can’t go to work? My husband works in London, we live 40 miles away, at the moment our new infections rate are low but if this changed and we had to lockdown and my husband couldn’t go to work, how would we pay our bills?
I live close to Leicester and would find a local lockdown extremely problematic. I'm self employed and received no help what so ever, due to the structure of help for her self employed. I went from earning good money to nothing, and things are still only at 25% of what they were ore lockdown. DH is a company director and has worked tirelessly on a reduced salary. If we lockdown he will not be able to wfh, it's not possible.
I feel people forget those of us who followed the rules despite being unable to work and having no assistance. Many people had no help, but we still stayed at home and we would still do it again of it helped reduce the spread.
We've sold things, relied on handlouts and borrowed. You just have to manage.

I’m in Leicestershire . So village on the outskirts . If it needs to happen it needs to happen but I just wonder how it will work . Will they only include the city centre ? Or will
Villages like mine be affected too ?

Listening to the news this morning, they need to find the source, to narrow it down and then make a plan to stop it happening again. What if it is mainly in a high area of Asian community. How will they feel if that area of the city is being locked down? How will they lockdown, will they close roads, road blocks? Will they send the army in?

I have changed my user name for this as it is geographically outing.

I live on Rutland Water and the place has been swamped at the weekends since it reopened. No one is social distancing and there are large groups of people from all backgrounds who having barbecue parties. Rutland has the lowest covid statistics in the country. Not for long.

If Leicester locked down, people would still come. The only way to stop the spread is to close off a huge radius around Leicester so that there is no incentive to leave as there will be nowhere to go and nothing to do.

It’s also in the news that the infections in June came from Pakistan visitors.

Why aren’t people being tested before they get on a plane? What is the point of lockdown if our boarders are open?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/26/exclusive-half-uks-imported-covid-19-infections-pakistan/amp/

This will be the first of many many localised lockdowns, we are going to have to get used to it.

Leicester has a very large portion of people who live in multigenerational homes

All the more reason to act swiftly, the older members may be high risk, and this kind of family set up is the most dangerous, and the reason by Italy had such a high death rate in the early stages. This should be taken very seriously if the numbers are climbing.

It is my understanding that they are having to refine the legalities of locking down by region, hence the delay.