people, please, stay home if you can

[Lua]

Most places that have eased lockdown measures, are seeing an increase in the number of cases. So there is no way around it (at least in the short-term), live a "normal life" and increase the risk for everyone (there are no "personal risk" in a pandemic).

I see a lot of people in mumsnet saying that we suffer too much to save the lives of 80 year olds. While I find this cold assessment horrible on its own, there are so many case of under 60s suffering badly. This is a harrowing picture of 63 year old woman:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/25/from-cold-to-coma-to-homecoming-one-womans-100-days-of-coronavirus

Sure, the risk is low. Sure, we deal with risks all the time. But we also try to mitigate risks all the time. We use seat belts, and we look before we cross the road, we use helmets, etc There are many reasons why someone needs to go into work, and those are understandable. But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

We are living a more secluded life at the moment but that's because things are only just opening up. We have a holiday booked in Great Yarmouth on 13/7 and will be going but see it more of change of scenery and will spend our time outside on beach and in chalet. Once back from holiday we will isolate from people for a week then plan to start trying to find a new normal.

The only way we can save the lives of that lady on the first link is if we people to out and work and work really hard day in day out to pay the wages of nurses and to feed the less well off. However the sooner we life the legislation and rely on people being sensible the better as 14 weeks of lock down is too big a restriction of civil liberties.

The end of the article on the first link says "As Mitchell returned home to Holsworthy in Devon, crowds lined the streets to applaud her. It had been a long journey." I am not sure leaving the house and clapping anyone is a very safe thing to do even if you think you are far apart.

@DomDoesWotHeWants

I think people who put their own interests above the health of fellow humans are selfish cunts.

Have you seen Bournemouth beach today?
magicseaweed.com/Bournemouth-Surf-Report/12/

There are some who think teachers should just go back to schools with no safeguards in place that all other occupations have. If that's not selfish cuntery I'm not sure what it.

So much ME ME ME. So little care for anyone else.

It's dispiriting but not surprising from some here.

I absolutely agree.

I think the people who put their terror and fear of a virus that is very very unlikely to kill them above the wellbeing of everyone else in their country, and expect everyone to pander to their totally unfounded terror by losing their jobs, denying children an education, and making life an unbearable grind, are selfish cunts.

I DO NOT see why your desire to avoid one single risk means that every other risk has to be increased. I don't see why you have to be saved from covid while another person is lost to suicide and despair. A death is a death and deaths caused by lockdown are not less significant or less tragic than deaths caused by covid.

This absolutely pathological fixation on one illness has to stop. It is utter madness.

I've nearly died twice this year already due to unrelated, non covid conditions (emergency hospital admission, one requiring a stst in ICU). No way to have foreseen them. It taught me that you cant eliminate risk, the grim reaper can come tor you anytime! So live the best life today, whilst you can, without fear.

Makes me wonder if these are real people or bots.

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@MargotB7

I'm not hitting any beaches anytime soon or any illegal raves but I will sit in a large beer garden with friends (I may take a fly swatter to twat anyone who comes too close).

People will do their own risk assessments and there is nothing you can do.

Not sure if that's a typo but I'm loving your use of the word twat.

@IrmaFayLear

No, you’re not missing out. Lovely sand, but the town has gone downhill in recent years and is quite mucky.

Domdoeswhathewants - I think it may be you who is the selfish one. People need to work, children need education. It’s the ME ME ME people who are demanding everyone stays in to protect them.

Not really, Irma. I'm not demanding anything.

It's not selfish to wish people were more compassionate. Children do not need education at the expense of the health of those who work in schools. Surely you can see that. Measures have to be put in place to make it as safe as possible for everyone.

Some here think teachers should just shut up and go back in whatever the circumstances. Now that is selfish. I hope teachers and other school staff resist this stupidity.

I'm not saying everyone should stay in, just that if they go out they should behave courteously and be considerate of others. Keep to social distancing. That's not selfish.

Shrieking that the schools have to go back no matter what, which happens here on a daily basis is very selfish. Some people don't give a fuck about the health of those who teach their children. That's selfish.

I'm retired so it isn't going to effect me. But I do care about others.

Don't know why everybody is fuming about the traffic and the litter....we get that this weekend every year. Lucky us Glastonbury isn't happening this year so it's somewhere else's turn to have the selfish ones.

(I may take a fly swatter to twat anyone who comes too close)

Now that's a plan

Not sure if that's a typo but I'm loving your use of the word twat
UK slang as in "I'll twat yer" lol, so no won't be a typo

I mean I think we all need to stay alert and stick to social distancing rules to be fair. But the world cannot just stay still.

wow.

In response to those that ask about alternative ways to tick the economy...

There is a clear need to develop better tracking app that also preserve privacy. Lots of jobs in that.

Repurposing roads for more bike traffic.

Developing bettetr ways to process meat

Hiring more teachers

Developing online curricula

Just a few ideas.

Our culture of buying plastic tat, and eating our way to diabetes ought to have the days counted anyway. Those that adjust now, will be in a better position.

and yes. I'll stay home.

@Lua

wow.

In response to those that ask about alternative ways to tick the economy...

There is a clear need to develop better tracking app that also preserve privacy. Lots of jobs in that.

Repurposing roads for more bike traffic.

Developing bettetr ways to process meat

Hiring more teachers

Developing online curricula

Just a few ideas.

Our culture of buying plastic tat, and eating our way to diabetes ought to have the days counted anyway. Those that adjust now, will be in a better position.

Where on earth do you think all the money is going to come from for those things?

Are you aware that money for track and trace app has to come from tax revenue? Are you aware that the UK was on edge of bankruptcy in March and that the World Bank had to bail us out?

I'd love to live in your utopia where money just appears from nowhere to fund roads and curricula, but that's not how the world works unfortunately. I can't believe people are as naive as you are but it does go some way to explaining why people have been so utterly stupid about this lockdown.

These threads are beyond tedious by now.

Self-appointed prefects might want to ask themselves whether people are really likely to change their own risk assessments, own decisions, or own behaviour patterns, in response to their directives. Not very likely, is it?

That's spending money though.

How will the money be created for more teachers and cycle lanes?

Tbh I'm bloody sick of the media showing all these pictures of people out.
It's a heatwave people go to the beach ,
The shop's opened people went .
The pubs open next week people will go .
It's not madness they are not idiots they are just trying to live their life.
I personally haven't been anywhere except daily exercise, supermarket, Ikea , my in-laws garden and once to work for a meeting in 14 weeks. That isn't living is bloody well existing and I'm bored of it .
I'm making plans now to see friends / family and go out and yes I'll be at the pub when they open .

@Devlesko-

100% agree with you.

It is scary to see how little people understand what is going on. Germany is already considering going back into lockdown. China has to go back. Things are getting worst in the USA. Why do people think is going to be different here?

@lua
Online curricula?
No!! Nobody wants that. We are sick of online learning. Kids need to be in school.

Really though people need to remember we were asked to stay home to stop the nhs being overwhelmed, not to stop us catching it. It is not overwhelmed which is why we are allowed out

[quote Lua]@Devlesko-

100% agree with you.

It is scary to see how little people understand what is going on. Germany is already considering going back into lockdown. China has to go back. Things are getting worst in the USA. Why do people think is going to be different here?[/quote]
Do you understand that if the economy collapses there will be no NHS? No schools? No nothing?

@Lua

wow.

In response to those that ask about alternative ways to tick the economy...

There is a clear need to develop better tracking app that also preserve privacy. Lots of jobs in that.

Repurposing roads for more bike traffic.

Developing bettetr ways to process meat

Hiring more teachers

Developing online curricula

Just a few ideas.

Our culture of buying plastic tat, and eating our way to diabetes ought to have the days counted anyway. Those that adjust now, will be in a better position.

All those things need money. Money comes from taxes. Taxes come from people working, and spending money.

I would love to see the financial demographic of those who are stating 'i can/everyone should stay inside until there's a cure' etc the gov won't pay furlough forever, or is it as a pp said, it's ok to go to work, basic food shop and then it's stay inside? Sounds joyous!

@TheGreatWave
Where on earth do you think all the money is coming from right now? Taxes are created the same way whether you are buying a new bikini or a nicely produced food, puzzle, plant for your garden, etc.

I wondered, how did society ever existed without people going to restaurants and buying disposable fashion.... You remind me of my DS which think there is no life worth living without internet. Like we didn't all live without just fine 20 years ago...

Where on earth do you think all the money is coming from right now? Taxes are created the same way whether you are buying a new bikini or a nicely produced food, puzzle, plant for your garden, etc

Ahh so we’re back to ‘virtuous’ vs ‘non virtuous’. A bikini is non virtuous, so we shouldn’t be buying them. Puzzles and garden plans are virtuous, so they’re ok.
Like doing exercise on a bench was fine, but eating crisps (non virtuous) wasn’t.
Ikea and primark are non virtuous. Waterstones is ok.

Yabu

People are back at work and the economy needs people to buy takeaways and new outfits at the shops.

I won't be going to the beach because I don't live near one but my household are young and healthy. Before Covid there were other germs lurking around but we weren't aware of them so lived normally.

If cases rise I will adjust my behaviour but I'm not going to cower at home. 1 in 1700 have the virus and 80% have no/mild symptoms. I'm not in a densely populated city so will take my chances and probably be absolutely fine

@Jrobhatch29 -

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/27/students-like-the-flexibility-why-online-universities-are-here-to-stay

undergraduate students have actually really enjoyed online learning, even though is hard work to pull it off.