people, please, stay home if you can

[Lua]

Most places that have eased lockdown measures, are seeing an increase in the number of cases. So there is no way around it (at least in the short-term), live a "normal life" and increase the risk for everyone (there are no "personal risk" in a pandemic).

I see a lot of people in mumsnet saying that we suffer too much to save the lives of 80 year olds. While I find this cold assessment horrible on its own, there are so many case of under 60s suffering badly. This is a harrowing picture of 63 year old woman:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/25/from-cold-to-coma-to-homecoming-one-womans-100-days-of-coronavirus

Sure, the risk is low. Sure, we deal with risks all the time. But we also try to mitigate risks all the time. We use seat belts, and we look before we cross the road, we use helmets, etc There are many reasons why someone needs to go into work, and those are understandable. But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

[LockingupLockdown]

I think most people will do their own personal risk assessments now. I followed the rules to the letter right up until Dominic Gate. Then I began to relax them for myself.

We now "break" the rules in that close family are now seeing each other and going into houses. However we are only seeing friends outside. We are also not going to the shops yet.

I think most people will do the same. I know friends who are making the most of going to the shops but won't see family at the moment.

The minority will ignore all the rules. Ultimately we can't all be locked up forever and the economy does need to get going. Saying "we need to think of alternative ways" is all very well but who do you expect to do this? Are you writing to the government? Do you even expect them to take notice?

[Angel2702]

Staying home much longer will mean we don’t have a home to stay in.

You don’t have to rush out and do every single activity that’s now open, I am being cautious and will pick carefully where I go my priority is seeing family. Others will have different priorities. We need to be able to make decisions of where we go and be trusted to use our common sense.

There will be pockets of cases which is what track and trace is there to deal with, an outbreak in pockets isn’t a second wave and doesn’t mean the entire country should go back under lock and key.

[Ibake]

Don't be so bloody sanctimonious. What do you honestly think you sound like? I absolutely will not stay at home until none of us have any kind of life, jobs, healthcare or education system to get back to. I will be prudent but I will go out. So get off your high horse, none of us can see you on it anyway, locked up as you are at home.

[Chloemol]

YANBU however most of MN will tell you that you are. Look at all the posts were they positively encourage people to use common sense, ignore the rules Etc

All you and I can do is continue to do our bit, I will be staying away from tourist areas etc. I am quite happy for the millions on MN to carry on at normal, catch it and work towards herd immunity

[RaininSummer]

I am not changing things any more at present so just food shopping, daughter's garden and house and distanced walks.

[SinisterBumFacedCat]

I’d love to go to the beach but am happy to wait a few weeks/months until the R and the death rates declined.

[MulierLite]

YANBU - we don't have a good enough track/trace/isolate system to believe that any future outbreaks will be local and/or easily contained. However nobody wants to hear that!

[Aposterhasnoname]

No, who died and put you in charge. I’ve had to go out to work to keep the country fed, all through the peak, with no government guidelines and quite often within self righteous knobs hurling abuse at me for going out cos “you’re not a nurse”

I’m old enough, and ugly enough to do my own risk assessments thanks very much and I’ll appreciate it if you stop trying to dictate what I do based on your own fears.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m rather busy booking a well earned holiday as I have been doing three peoples work since March, and haven’t taken a day off since Christmas.

[Cloudygreydaysahead]

I’m a SAHM, my partner works from home and I hardly go to raves so really other than seeing my parents and wasting time and money in primark, not much really changed for us.

[MarcelineMissouri]

What a load of rubbish. We ARE still trying to mitigate the risks. You think you can just go back to the cinema and it will be a sold out screen with people jammed in next to each other? Tell that to my dh who’s working his socks off trying to make it as safe as it can be.
Next time we go to a restaurant on a Saturday night can we just turn up and get a table? Is it going to be packed out? Will we need to leave our details in case we need to be tracked and traced? Are the pubs going to be full of people all crammed in next to each other along the bar? Or are people in all these places busting a gut to distance tables, implement new systems, forking out more money they don’t have on hand sanitiser, Perspex screens, new apps and processes.....

Sorry but your post has really wound me up. If Boris has told us we could just go back out as normal then you’d have a point but actually there are pages and pages and pages of mitigation that needs to be implemented by all these businesses. For how long do you think they can carry on being closed without whole industries going under?

The risk IS low as you state. But nothing is going back to normal. I managed to book my hair appointment today, followed by a list of instructions about how they’ll be operating to ensure theirs and my safety. Pretty sure that didn’t happen last time I made an appointment.

If you want to stay in then do so. I will be going out and enjoying what I can whilst also following all the many many rules that are still in place to keep everyone safe.

[piscis]

This is not sustainable long term.
Your livelihood is clearly not affected by this if you think like that. How many millions of jobs would be lost if we continue like this? It is just not possible.
We need to be careful, work from home if possible, take measures to minimise risks..But to stay home and do nothing has consecuences (mental health, job losses...). We need to move on either we like it or not

[mylittleyumyum]

I don't intend on going out and being sneezed and coughed on by one of the very few infected outside of care homes/hospitals.

What I will do is go out and try to enjoy what's left of my life, and of my children's childhood, before I am almost predictably made redundant thanks to this mismanaged shitshow.

[Spacemonkey2016]

I'm not going to go mad for the sake of it. While the weather's nice, I don't feel the need to have anyone in my house if we can sit in the garden, etc. But nope, my little boy is back at nursery, we've been to the zoo, can't wait to get in the parks and swimming when we're allowed. Hoping my holiday goes ahead in Nov. I certainly don't feel right about going out for a meal or to the pub when kids can't go to school, but that's my choice. I don't judge anyone who's going to do that.

We need to logically assess our own risks now.

[Deelish75]

No.

As another poster has states it’s about not doing everything at once.
I’m not bothered about pubs and restaurants but I can’t wait for the swimming pools to open again and will definitely be there.
My children need new clothes, I’ve got most online but I may go out to the shops also, in the past I may have also looked for things for myself as well but I don’t need anything so I’m not going to bother at the moment.
In normal times I have a weekly food shop delivered at the weekend and go to the supermarket to get fresh during the week, during lockdown I’ve managed with just the weekly shop but now I’m sick of manky fruit and veg by the end of the week so I’ve now started mid week shopping again.
And lastly we will be seeing family (indoors if needs be) much more - our mental health needs it.

We need to start getting back to “normal” and I think as long as everyone’s sensible about it we can get there and live with this virus.

[InsaneInTheViralMembrane]

There were 5 new cases in Scotland yesterday. How many people I wonder lost their jobs yesterday up here?

[wildcherries]

@Ibake

Don't be so bloody sanctimonious. What do you honestly think you sound like? I absolutely will not stay at home until none of us have any kind of life, jobs, healthcare or education system to get back to. I will be prudent but I will go out. So get off your high horse, none of us can see you on it anyway, locked up as you are at home.

Absolutely this. Do what you want, OP. But don't get sanctimonious about it.

[userxx]

No fucking way.

[Saladmakesmesad]

They won't listen, OP.

All we'll have is people determinedly acting like selfish fuckers and then whining that their kids can't go back in September when the infection rate goes up (and blaming the teachers).

People never learn, nothing ever changes, the environment will go back to being fucked too, and the second wave will be similar to the first (and all the people acting like you're insane for wanting people to be careful in a pandemic will be locked down just as much as the rest of us).

[notheragain4]

Nope. I have dinner reservations for July 10th, hairdresser appointments made for all of us,I will cut the padlock to our neighbourhood park next Saturday myself if it is not done.

We've abided by the rules of which I don't agree with entirely, my children have sacrificed enough, we will continue to stick to rules but I will not be dictated to by keyboard warriors with a double award GCSE in science achieved in 2003 (you know who you are!)

Stay home if you want to stay home, we are going out while we can and supporting businesses where we can also.

[Quartz2208]

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

Yes we do but this cannot be done staying still and in a lockdown of 2 months ago. Going forward slowly whilst assessing the risks and taking precautions is the right way forward.

Some industries (tourism being one) need to open up for the summer otherwise they wont come back. This is the time for us to be sensible.

I went into a local shop today for a summer outfit. Did I need to - no. Did she need me (and others) to so her business will survive yes she did.

[StrawberryPea]

I'm really tired of people telling everyone on MN to 'please do this' and 'please do that', as though they are some kind of wise elder preaching to the lesser idiots 🙄

I've got my own brain thanks and I'm perfectly capable of keeping abreast of information available on which I can make my own decisions.

And no, I won't be staying at home.

[Daisyxxchainxx]

So what are you saying? Kids should stop having a childhood? Toddlers and small kids should stop sharing toys and holding hands and sharing food? Kids should miss out on swimming and all clubs and activities, life experiences, days out and bonding with other kids and adults.

Adults should stop socialising? People should stay isolated and bored and lonely? Businesses should continue to struggle.

We've been responsible with lockdown. For 12 weeks I've been stuck home with a 2 and 5 year old. They have missed out on months of school, swimming, playing, mixing and socialising. I've not had a break in any shape or form from either of them. I have a mum in hospital who I can't see. I have a worried anxious dad who i can't technically have around. I have a best friend who I've not seen since march.

Today and many other days I'm wishing the day away. I'm stressed. I'm sad. I am shouting at my daughter because she's so fed up she continues to do things after I've asked her to stop. My house needs a serious sort. My brain is screaming for a break. Some happiness. Something positive. I want to cry because i hate what we have had to teach our kids. They have had to loose all their routine and carefree lifestyle. They now have a fear of germs. I hate it. At first it was easy. No I'm sick of telling my kids the parks shut when we walk past. There are not germs allover the swings. But that's what we have to tell them. That the stuff they love is germy and not safe.

I'm personally relieved that in 2 weeks time my kids can go on a slide and run around the park. Because I am not comfortable with destroying their heads for much longer with this virus. It's so bad for our immune systems to be so cut off from others for so long. It's so bad for our minds to be so alone and cut off!

Look at all the suicide. Look at how much stress people are feeling. We are all getting mentally sick with it!

One girl on my Facebook has kept three children in aged 8,5 and 4 for 12 weeks. They havn't even has a walk. Because she's frightened. She won't even walk in a field. She's not vunerbale. She's just scared. So her kids are paying the price.

[2bunny]

No

[DisobedientHamster]

Have the courage to speak for yourself and not use this passive aggressive collective. 'YOU' are welcome to stay home. Me? No, thanks. Some of us, 'we' can assess our own risks and act accordingly within guidelines. Headed off abroad next month for holiday. Can't wait.

[CarolVordermansArse]

So what are your suggestions to help the economy and prevent us from losing our business and home? You must have some great ideas so please let us hear them and I will implement them immediately because we are updating every possible aspect of the business that we can, so I am sure you will be able to sort this out for us.