people, please, stay home if you can

[Lua]

Most places that have eased lockdown measures, are seeing an increase in the number of cases. So there is no way around it (at least in the short-term), live a "normal life" and increase the risk for everyone (there are no "personal risk" in a pandemic).

I see a lot of people in mumsnet saying that we suffer too much to save the lives of 80 year olds. While I find this cold assessment horrible on its own, there are so many case of under 60s suffering badly. This is a harrowing picture of 63 year old woman:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/25/from-cold-to-coma-to-homecoming-one-womans-100-days-of-coronavirus

Sure, the risk is low. Sure, we deal with risks all the time. But we also try to mitigate risks all the time. We use seat belts, and we look before we cross the road, we use helmets, etc There are many reasons why someone needs to go into work, and those are understandable. But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

Can’t believe some of these comments

Do you have a brain cell between you

Me me me me me me me me me.

Virus hasn’t gone anywhere. Enjoy the beach. Your mum might die but hey ho you had fun right

Laurie

More teachers and cycle paths was mentioned.

And something about me buying a plant from the garden centre rather than going to the pub.

Except I don't go to the pub.

Oh we’re totally sorted then. They’ll pay off for millions of us. In a matter of weeks.

@TheGreatWave

Laurie

More teachers and cycle paths was mentioned.

And something about me buying a plant from the garden centre rather than going to the pub.

Except I don't go to the pub.

😂😂😂

I don't go to pubs, either.

@Davincitoad

Can’t believe some of these comments

Do you have a brain cell between you

Me me me me me me me me me.

Virus hasn’t gone anywhere. Enjoy the beach. Your mum might die but hey ho you had fun right

People go on living. It's how the world works. God forbid anyone have fun .

Some people are just vile. I won't say anymore as I will probably just not stop.

But ‘back to normal’ means lots of unnecessary death
What about the thousands who have died through neglect, lack of investigations that would have pucked up serious conditions early on but it will be too late months down the line, lack of essential treatment, lack of on going care, people left alone just giving up, people found dead in thier homes as they were too scared to call for medical help, unsupported mental health issues?
Didn't see much reporting of many deaths unrelated to covid in months as obviously collateral damage arent "sad deaths".

@Willow2017

But ‘back to normal’ means lots of unnecessary death What about the thousands who have died through neglect, lack of investigations that would have pucked up serious conditions early on but it will be too late months down the line, lack of essential treatment, lack of on going care, people left alone just giving up, people found dead in thier homes as they were too scared to call for medical help, unsupported mental health issues? Didn't see much reporting of many deaths unrelated to covid in months as obviously collateral damage arent "sad deaths".

These are the "necessary" deaths apparently. Like the "necessary" thousands of households worth of homeless people we'll have if the entire retail and leisure sector goes under.

I've been at home with a toddler for 14 weeks. 14. No family nearby, DH works and did what he could. My mental health is in the toilet. I can't find another job because nobody will hire a mum of a nursery-age child and I can only get 2 days at nursery as it is. It is both devastating and infuriating to be told that losing my income is a necessary sacrifice and I'm killing someone's nan by going to get some toddler toys from B&M.

In April there were an extra 10 000 dementia deaths. (E&W) That is what happened as a result of lockdown.

Do their deaths not matter?

Yes. If I can't get children back in school, my long studied for and hard won career will end up in the toilet. But obviously this is necessary. Despite the hardship it will cause us. I'm lucky in that my employer is flexible, but the damage to my mental health is increasing daily and I may not make it out the other side. But, yknow, that's not Sad Covid Death so obviously necessary.

You beat me to it TheGreatWave.
Apparently they were invisible as never saw that being mentioned on the news in April.

@hammeringinmyhead I have heard similar comments to the nan one. I think people are still stuck in the situation of 12 weeks ago and haven’t managed to move forward.

Just make sure you don’t sit on a bench during your trip to B&M. That’s a fast track route to annihilating whole villages didn’t you know

My grandad is 85 and has was diagnosed with dementia not long before lockdown. This lockdown has caused it to get so much worse. He could not understand why he could not go out and my aunty basically had to lock herself in the house with him because he kept leaving and we didnt know where he was. He could not understand anything about the virus and said there is no virus because he cannot see it anywhere. He has deteriorated massively. My aunty has had to take him out early morning or late at night for a walk on the hills. He couldn't go in the day because he didnt understand social distancing. These people dont matter though apparently

Can’t believe some of these comments
Do you have a brain cell between you
Me me me me me me me me me.
Virus hasn’t gone anywhere. Enjoy the beach. Your mum might die but hey ho you had fun right

Have you actually read any of this thread.
i don't think a single person has said they have been to a crowded beach.
what people are saying is that without being able to go to work, the economy will collapse and people will be literally on the breadline and homeless.
but hey ho, as long as you get to cower inside, eh

oh, and my mum will die.
And I will
And my kids will
and my husband will

Unless you have discovered the secret of eternal life then I hate to break it to you, but so will you
and I'd rather we lived our lives to the full then stay locked in with no holidays or socialising.

Maybe grandad has lived his life. I am very worried about my children's mental health, and I believe the sacrifices they are having to make is unfair. It is their turn to live, learn and thrive.

@LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus I have the same opinion as you. I was using it as an example of how nothing but covid seems to matter, and in response to someone posting 10,000 dementia deaths have gone unnoticed. Yes he has lived his life but he does not deserve to have his health care stopped because of covid

I completely agree that children have been thrown under the bus.

I know of just one person who has been hospitalised with Covid 19 (now home and recovering)

I know 3 people who have been made redundant in the last week

Just sayin

Your mum might die but hey ho you had fun right

Except my mum also chose to go to the beach, having weighed up the risks for herself. And she and I didn't stand close to anyone whilst there. Or lick anyone, or kiss them. And we washed our hands when we arrived home. So we have the most minuscule chance of having caught or spread anything.

And we did have fun. A lot of fun, after many difficult months. My mum is now choosing what else she wants to do to enjoy herself as she firmly thinks that it's time to get back to living, even if that puts her at risk.

jrob I am sorry that this has been such a difficult time for your Granddad and the rest of the family. Lots of people have been failed during this period.

Is the family having any support from the Alzheimer's Society?

Obviously I don’t want you to lose your income and lifestyle but I’d rather that than see a huge spike in unnecessary deaths.

Blimey, if you want to live in potential misery for some bugger you have never met, have at it. Strangers aren't my concern and to be blunt, I'm not worried what happens to them and a large proportion of the country aren't either.

All this virtue signalling bollocks is laughable.

Maybe grandad has lived his life. I am very worried about my children's mental health, and I believe the sacrifices they are having to make is unfair. It is their turn to live, learn and thrive.

Is this really what it comes to? So 1000s of over 65s have to die, so little Johnny can go out to play and because you can't stay a few feet away from other people for a few weeks? How about the mental health of those of us who have and will probably have to continue alone at home without seeing anybody at all for months and months?

THIS is what we mean by me, me, me.

Strangers aren't my concern and to be blunt, I'm not worried what happens to them and a large proportion of the country aren't either.

I hope you never need a blood transfusion from a stranger then. Or an organ transplant.

he does not deserve to have his health care stopped because of covid

Of course not. But as long as people are being irresponsible, the NHS will continue to focus on Covid, and other people won't get help.