people, please, stay home if you can

[Lua]

Most places that have eased lockdown measures, are seeing an increase in the number of cases. So there is no way around it (at least in the short-term), live a "normal life" and increase the risk for everyone (there are no "personal risk" in a pandemic).

I see a lot of people in mumsnet saying that we suffer too much to save the lives of 80 year olds. While I find this cold assessment horrible on its own, there are so many case of under 60s suffering badly. This is a harrowing picture of 63 year old woman:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/25/from-cold-to-coma-to-homecoming-one-womans-100-days-of-coronavirus

Sure, the risk is low. Sure, we deal with risks all the time. But we also try to mitigate risks all the time. We use seat belts, and we look before we cross the road, we use helmets, etc There are many reasons why someone needs to go into work, and those are understandable. But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

You are being ridiculous OP
Total deaths in the UK from Covid in under 65s is around 600. We can’t shut down the whole of the working population for that. Over 65s could choose to isolate if they wish but many of the older people I know are of the opinion that you’ve got to die of something, and better to have a shorter happier life than a miserable existence of not seeing anyone.
Death is coming for all of us. We seem to have decided, even before corona, that the main thing is to prolong life at all costs, but often at the expense of quality.

@DisobedientHamster oops sorry, your majesty. When will my unicorns arrive? Could do with them now to be honest. Can they be fully trained already please? Appreciated

Sorry OP, there are just too many people in the country to worry about them all, if you want to worry about everyone, fill your boots.

As soon as I can properly, I'm back out and about travelling and doing my job.

The basic welfare of my family, such as food on the table and a roof over their heads comes way before the consideration of others I simply don't know.

@PhilCornwall1 exactly. We have never worried about everyone before and lots of illnesses are dangerous for people in the shielding groups, for children and especially babies. Infact its been encouraged that we power on regardless. Oh look at Susan.... she has the flu but she has still come to work, well done Susan!

Your road analogy is perfect in one way, as recent statistics have shown that under 50s are now more likely to die from an accident or injury in the next year than of Covid19.

Therefore, if fear of having a fatal accident doesnt prevent you going about your daily life, fear of Covid19 certainly shouldn't, providing you're under 50.

Dr hilary has just said if people carry on in large crowds at beaches etc then there WILL be a second wave, so yes id agree stay at home when you can but people do need to get out sometimes so id say when you go out go somewhere thats fairly quiet.. if it gets busy then leave.. thats what we are doing... its difficult because the uk is so over crowded anyway which doesnt help matters

Oh god if Dr Hilary said it must be true

Total deaths in the UK from Covid in under 65s is around 600. We can’t shut down the whole of the working population for that. Over 65s could choose to isolate if they wish but many of the older people I know are of the opinion that you’ve got to die of something, and better to have a shorter happier life than a miserable existence of not seeing anyone.

So pleased, allnamesaregone, that you aren’t directing the country’s response to COVID. All those older infected people running around would be great for the rest of the population, and I’m sure that, in turn, would give the economy a healthy boost given that a good percentage of the workforce would be ill, convalescing, or dead.

We have never worried about everyone before and lots of illnesses are dangerous for people in the shielding groups

Very true, I'm in this extremely vulnerable group and there are a load of illnesses and infections that can land me in hospital and potentially kill me. I can't sit in my house and worry about that, if it happens it happens. Life must go on.

Dr hilary has just said if people carry on in large crowds at beaches etc then there WILL be a second wave

You'd put money on Dr Hilary being a second waver.

According to the NHS statistics 2446 under 60 have died of it in England
Not 600 under 65

Just saying

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Haven’t RTFT, but interested to know if the OP has come back to elaborate on her ideas for ‘new ways to get the economy ticking’.

We’ll need some big ideas, sharpish. Instant revenue generators too as people are going to need ‘new ways’ to pay their mortgage very imminently. Not to mention the NHS, essential services, public sector salaries, etc, etc.

But I’m sure the OP can save us there. OP?!?!?

I really am beyond sick of people who clearly aren’t financially impacted by this crisis telling others to ‘stay home’. Many of us won’t have homes to stay in if this carries on much further.

What a privileged position to not have to worry about that.

Dont worry, the OP will get her away come September when we will all be self isolating anyway...because little Alfie in our childs bubble sneezed so the whole bubble of 30 has been sent home along with all the parents! We will have to wait until poor Alfie has a swab rammed up his nose to find out if he is a danger to society or not. This will happen approximately 2582 times because kids are unwell all bloody winter. That's ok though, their education can be disrupted even more.

DH in aerospace, we are just about to lose everything!

We wont be able to afford to go out!

I think Stay At Home At All Costs people should come clean and state their financial position and skin in the game (and size of garden).

And not all shielded people are of the same mindset. It’s incredibly annoying when some of the shielded think they are terribly special and instead of just exercising caution, are on a crusade to stuff up the lives of everyone else. I should think a good 90% of them (and I include myself in this) had no idea they were “vulnerable” before Covid. And now they are suddenly these delicate beings who need protecting like some Victorian young lady. I was going about my daily business at the start of the year. Funny that I’m now supposed to be a miserable whingeing egotist or I’m not on the Shielded Team.

'the OP will get her away'

Amazing how many people,have not read the government guidance which still recommends spending as much time as possible at home.

It's not OP's way. It's what is asked of all of us by the government.

Some activities are no longer banned, but the advice to stay at home as much as you can is still is stil, the fist tired.

"come September when we will all be self isolating anyway."

... far from impossible.

I think @Allnamesaregone meant 600 under 45s which I think is the correct statistic @fmpc

I think there is a balance and a medium ground between staying at home now lockdown is easing and the idiots ignoring all the rules and going to the beaches

Did anyone watch BbC Breakfast this morning. The view of Bournemouth beach, taken from the air over the sea, clearly showed small groups with a good distance between them. The they went back to a side on view and it looked like everyone was virtually touching. Very interesting to see how easy it is to manipulate people's perception.

The view of Bournemouth beach, taken from the air over the sea, clearly showed small groups with a good distance between them.

Well that certainly will disappoint the 'everyone is so selfish except me' brigade. There is a vocal minority who enjoy all the holier than thou stuff and seem to hate hearing that actually most people are perfectly capable of standing a metre apart and are happy to do so.

And not all shielded people are of the same mindset. It’s incredibly annoying when some of the shielded think they are terribly special and instead of just exercising caution, are on a crusade to stuff up the lives of everyone else.

Agreed, I was meant to shield, but wouldn't do it, I wasn't going to put my family through all that stress, the way you were expected to live in your house around others and what they had to do was ridiculous.

Yes, I've seen the various angles.

But that does not cancel out the emergency services needed to call an emerincident because of dangerous overcrowding, the inability if even ambulances to get through at one point because of the pisspoor selfish parking, the tons of litter (literal) and the defecatin/urination problems.

Think of your nearest town, double the size of the population and round us a bit.m then imagine that number of people trying to visit the same day when pretty much everything is closed even if they all went to sit in the fields closest to the town it would still be one hell of an impact. Doing nothing for the town and being entirely unrelated to the many visitors you normally welcome and accommodate.

I think it will be very wrong to blame a second wave on the people who went to the beaches.

There have been so many marches around the county where tens of thousands have people have gathered in the last weeks and the government have done nothing to contain or disperse them, will have also contributed to any second wave.

I think the government should never have encouraged people to go to the beach and parks as much as they wanted, after we have all been shut in our house for months, and a lot of people are furloughed and not working so of course some will go out and enjoy the nice weather.

I think the next few months will be interesting......people in pubs with virtually no social distancing. Time will tell

The government are about to spend 20 million on an advert to get people out and about again !! (Daily Frail) It's not the "Joe Public Bloggs" fault if the government have furloughed people until the end of October and made an utter mess of the education system ! So you can't go to the beach but they can riot and protest every weekend in cities, sod all is done.. One rule for one, one rule for another !!

@IrmaFayLear

I think Stay At Home At All Costs people should come clean and state their financial position and skin in the game (and size of garden).

And not all shielded people are of the same mindset. It’s incredibly annoying when some of the shielded think they are terribly special and instead of just exercising caution, are on a crusade to stuff up the lives of everyone else. I should think a good 90% of them (and I include myself in this) had no idea they were “vulnerable” before Covid. And now they are suddenly these delicate beings who need protecting like some Victorian young lady. I was going about my daily business at the start of the year. Funny that I’m now supposed to be a miserable whingeing egotist or I’m not on the Shielded Team.

Clearly you aren't immunosuppressed then because we have it made very clear to us all of the things that pose a danger to us, all of the things we must avoid the foods we must avoid, the precautions that we must take in order to minimise the chances of getting a serious infection. Despite all of this I've never once been told to shut myself away, avoiding contact even with the people that I live with for even one day let alone four months.

There's a lot that I can do to.protect myself against illness - avoid certain foods, get flu and pneumonia vaccines, get prophylactic antibiotics for even minor infections, seek early medical treatment, alert drs when numpty parents bring their children into public places when they have chicken pox but with Covid there is nothing that can be done - if I catch it there's no treatment, there's no vaccine and there's nothing much that I can do to protect myself. I am reliant on other people maintaining SD and on there being a low level of circulating virus. I can't control that.