people, please, stay home if you can

[Lua]

Most places that have eased lockdown measures, are seeing an increase in the number of cases. So there is no way around it (at least in the short-term), live a "normal life" and increase the risk for everyone (there are no "personal risk" in a pandemic).

I see a lot of people in mumsnet saying that we suffer too much to save the lives of 80 year olds. While I find this cold assessment horrible on its own, there are so many case of under 60s suffering badly. This is a harrowing picture of 63 year old woman:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/25/from-cold-to-coma-to-homecoming-one-womans-100-days-of-coronavirus

Sure, the risk is low. Sure, we deal with risks all the time. But we also try to mitigate risks all the time. We use seat belts, and we look before we cross the road, we use helmets, etc There are many reasons why someone needs to go into work, and those are understandable. But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

No @livinlavidaloki you need to buy one second hand to save the planet.

Although Primark clothes last as long as any others in my lower class experience.

Tbh in your garden you can surely just sunbathe in underwear so a bikini is a luxury ...?

@teateaandmoretea so it's a virtuous reason but not a virtuous store.....

Is there a PDF I can download somewhere?

No way. And I work in the NHS at a busy London hospital and have gone into the office every day throughout the peak of the pandemic.

@Teateaandmoretea

Tbh in your garden you can surely just sunbathe in underwear so a bikini is a luxury ...?

I could do it in the nude but I'd end up pinned to the ground by my own boobs.

Is there a PDF I can download somewhere?

It’s called ‘mumsnet roolz’ 😂😂🤷🏻‍♀️

I could do it in the nude but I'd end up pinned to the ground by my own boobs.

😂😂😂😂😂

@Teateaandmoretea

No *@livinlavidaloki* you need to buy one second hand to save the planet.

Although Primark clothes last as long as any others in my lower class experience.

If you can’t get one second hand, Boden will suffice. Boden is more virtuous than Primark.

@Teateaandmoretea

Is there a PDF I can download somewhere?

It’s called ‘mumsnet roolz’ 😂😂🤷🏻‍♀️

😁😁😂😂😂

@Drivingdownthe101

But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Raves are still not permitted anyway, so irrelevant to your post.
Apart from that... do my children need clothes and shoes that fit them? Yes they do. Do people need leisure activities? In order to live a balanced, healthy life, arguably yes they do. Are things like beaches good for our mental wellbeing? Yes they are.
You are welcome to stay at home, as long as you would like to. My family and I will be resuming our lives, while taking reasonable precautions.

yes agreed, common sense with this one.. this could go on for years after all

@Drivingdownthe101
Good to know....😉

I doubt they would let me in though.....

Do you know what @Lua that article you’ve shared makes my blood absolutely boil.

So a woman catches a virus, is very ill with it and ends up in hospital for 5 and a half weeks (yes, that is very serious), then gets better, goes home and makes a FULL RECOVERY.

Well fucking great for her.

If it had been flu or sepsis and not coronavirus she would never have made the paper but is just as likely to have spent 100 days in hospital.

Last year my mum spent 5 MONTHS in hospital for treatment for a rare cancer, breathing through a tracheotomy, fed through a tube into her stomach for most of it. Long lonely months very averagely cared for by bored, resentful hospital staff.

She came out of hospital with a third of her tongue, a bone graft in her jaw, most of her teeth gone, barely able to talk, skeletal and entering early stages of dementia triggered by the trauma she went through.

Where was her article, her applause from a line up of hospital staff as she was wheeled out after half a year in hospital?

I’ll tell you where - nowhere. I don’t think she even got a goodbye from the nurses. It was a trainee HCA who checked her out.

Coronavirus can fuck off, but seriously the people who think coronavirus is going to jump out of a bush and strike them down dead and we should all stay indoors indefinitely to “save lives” and “save the NHS” or whatever sanctimonious tripe they want to regurgitate after a quick scan of a Guardian article can also fuck right off to be quite honest.

The other thing is the lady quite probably got the virus from her work, so that is an issue of infection control there not in the outside population.

Just as MRSA or norovirus could be caught.

I might be classed as a boring old fart, but HONESTLY who would want to be like a sardine in a can on desperately crowded beaches like the pictures show. There is NO WAY I would find mingling with such crowds fun, Covid or not, ever. It doesn't look in any way enjoyable to me. I shall avoid full stop.

Maybe they are missing Benidorm and Shagaluf. Ugh.

I might be classed as a boring old fart, but HONESTLY who would want to be like a sardine in a can on desperately crowded beaches like the pictures show. There is NO WAY I would find mingling with such crowds fun, Covid or not, ever. It doesn't look in any way enjoyable to me. I shall avoid full stop.

Not me. But equally it’s pretty twatty for me to criticise people for doing stuff I don’t enjoy. We’re all different that’s what society is about.

Maybe they are missing Benidorm and Shagaluf. Ugh

Back to the class thing again. It’s boring now.
Remember you must only go to a beach if you are affluent enough to be able to live near a secluded one. Anything else is lower class shudders

Yes, the hierarchy of suffering is helping no one. It is as if it isn't covid, then it doesn't matter as much.

Sorry about your mother's ordeal, TheMurk That sounds so tough for everyone.

@wildcherries I get that everyone has their cross to bear in life and one person’s “coronavirus ordeal” is as valid as another’s “sepsis nightmare” but the media is pitching this whole thing as a survival epic where only the lucky ones get out alive which is simply not the case.

Of course the aim is to scare the likes of the OP into staying at home and obeying every whim of the government. Clearly it works.

UK is far too crowded now, no room for much fun anymore without destroying surroundings with litter, bad parking, using anywhere as a toilet etc.

It's not a class thing, it is a respect thing. Bet those who are overwhelming the beaches would be doing their nuts in if people parked inconsiderately on THEIR patch, and used the street for a toilet/ litter bin.

Basic enough really.

@TheMurk. Yes, agreed. The media has a lot to answer for.

@saltycat

UK is far too crowded now, no room for much fun anymore without destroying surroundings with litter, bad parking, using anywhere as a toilet etc.

It's not a class thing, it is a respect thing. Bet those who are overwhelming the beaches would be doing their nuts in if people parked inconsiderately on THEIR patch, and used the street for a toilet/ litter bin.

Basic enough really.

It absolutely is a class thing, as you can see from the ‘Benidorm’ comment above. Sitting on a crowded beach isn’t my thing either. I hate sand, hate the heat and hate crowds. But everyone likes different things, that’s what makes us a society. Yeah littering is despicable, but it was pre Covid and will always be.

It is interesting that so many people feel accused.

Not so much”feeling accused” but a lot of people being fed up to the back fucking teeth with others sanctimoniously telling them what to do, based on their personal preferences including judgement on what is or isn’t acceptable or essential.

These things always happen on hot sunny days. It’s not a coronavirus issue although the media has packaged it as such.

The only corona difference here is that it’s a weekday and people are not at work or school.

They all should be at work and school or college.

End of.

@Bluntness100

I don’t give a shit what the rest of you do, I’m absolutely limiting interaction

Op this is the attitude to take, it’s about individual risk management. If you’re under 65 with no health conditions the risk to you is beyond tiny. If you no someone with a higher risk then they should take their own precautions and personal responsibility like this poster, and it would be good to limit interactions with them.

You need to take personal responsibility based on your own risk factor. And let others do the same.

Can you explain what those precautions are precisely?

I'm shielding. Apparently I can go back to work on August first and I can go out (although the guidelines for shielders is to stay at home as much as possible) and to practice strict social distancing.

Here's the problem. My son is a teacher and my husband's job involves going into other people's houses. I work with the public.

So, how can I take precautions to not come into contact with people who are determined to go back to normal because they've had enough now?

How do I stop people from ignoring SD around me, or from lying to my dh about having symptoms just so they can get their job done or from parents sending children into school when they have symptoms and giving it to my son?

How do we stop hospitals from getting over run so that I can have the treatment I really need and that has been delayed by this first wave?

Respect is not a class thing is It?

It applies to societal norms. I too hate sand and heat and crowds. But I heard that baby powder or similar works miracles to leave you sand free following a stint on the beach.