Do you think things are opening too fast?

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My friend has just said she's not rushing into anything /going anywhere for the rest of the year.
Do you think Lockdown is over too fast ?

@MadameMeursault

Yes. The number of daily cases is around the same as when lockdown began. This shit government is putting the economy before people’s lives 😡

I can’t believe there are still people who don’t understand that the ‘economy’ and ‘lives’ are totally intertwined

Most countries are taking calculated risks. Britain’s approach seems closer to a gamble as opposed to a calculated risk. I guess the expectation/hope is that daily infections will be in the low hundreds by the time July 4th rolls around.

The government, however, inspires ZERO confidence as it has been utterly inept from the beginning. The lack of trust and confidence is now hurting the economy as much as daily figures/infections.

Uselessness bunch of incompetent, lying *€(&?

pubs, cafes, social clubs,
clubs of the night
B and Bs , cottages
caravan sites
hairdressers, galleries, a museum or 2
all kinds of everything
can bring a second wave to you

I would have preferred to see evidence of successful track trace and isolate , probably including the app, before changing the rules

I can see that the economy may not bounce as quick as hoped if people are scared ( clearly some are ) or if there are significant additional outbreaks

DHs neurological consultant has said he is still scared, he’s never seen anything like it, the unpredictable nature and the unknown long term effects mean this is far from over.
He said the tests are crap too, they are seeing lots of false negatives (swabs and antibody) so numbers are probably much higher than reported.

Listening to briefing

Still really appreciate Chris Whitty and his clarity

Patrick too

The economy needs it. The mental health of many people need it. The education of our children need it and the long term future of the UK. The risk of death is so low that the risks of extended lockdown are now higher than the risk of the virus.

There is no ideal in this situation, either way people will suffer and people will die be it through the virus or through the consequences of lockdown.

We must start to encorporate the virus into our life.

No, I will be going to get my hair done as soon as I can

Too fast, going against SAGE advice.

He's fucked everything else up so this is the next thing. So much for following the science.

Money talks.

Too fast, going against SAGE advice.

He's fucked everything else up so this is the next thing. So much for following the science.

Money talks.

Economy matters also. Would you feel differently if your income was variable and impacted? Or job lost or household income stopped (not sure what you do)

Is he going against SAGE advice? What have SAGE said?

I'm sad that pubs and hairdressers can open before schools properly return, but then hairdressers and pub staff need and deserve to work and earn if they can and I do understand the fears around schools even if I don't really agree with them, so...

A lot for me will depend on whether we start to see new spikes/ second wave/ whatever you prefer to call it; but even if we do I can't see how we could go back into the lockdown we've just had, it isn't sustainable on so many levels. I think this virus is going to have become one more risk among many, to be managed as best we can whilst life goes on as normally as possible and I know that leaves people more than averagely vulnerable to it utterly screwed and disadvantaged again... but what else can we do, long term? Without a vaccine or reliable cure, what else can be done?

Yy even if you look at the Government's own criteria, it's blatantly obvious that we shouldn't be opening up so fast. And their criteria was hardly cautious in the first place hence why we have such a high death rate. But it's impossible to have serious conversations about this on MN now or about schools. All the threads have been hijacked by the people who are 'bored' of staying at home ... as they post from home, encouraging other people to go out It's like GE season but with even more SPADs and petitions.

I think things are opening up too fast for the rates of infection and deaths the UK is still seeing. And I won’t be changing what I do any time soon.

And yet... the economy really is scuppered. I saw on the news today that Intu (shopping centre owner) is preparing for administration. That’s massively bad.

Much as I worry about opening up, I also don’t want to emerge into a country that’s derelict and shuttered up.

Whitty and Valance sounding very cautious at the briefing. I get the impression they’re not entirely on board with the changes

Too fast, going against SAGE advice

Really?

Also, SAGE isn't one person. Different members will have different opinions. At the end of the day, they are just expert advisors. The govt has to take all sorts of things other than the scientific advice into acccount.

Yes. The number of daily cases is around the same as when lockdown began. This shit government is putting the economy before people’s lives

When lockdown began the number of new cases a day was nearly doubling. From the 18th to the 19th of March there was an increase of 1003 cases. From 2626 to 3629. So about a 40% increase? We’re ot currently like that..

I think it's time to open stuff, but they are opening slightly weird things in my opinion. A lot of it feels as if it's about their own personal preferences, or in the interests of their donors. I literally can't trust a thing that comes out of their mouths right now.

Cleaners to your home. I mean, one of the first things? Cleaners? And that was before your mum came round? Absolutely mental. I can only imagine the state of the Cabinet's homes are 10 weeks with no cleaners.

Well it's up to your friend, isn't it? Nobody's going to turn up at her doorstep and frog march her to Nando's.

Yes the virus isn't going anywhere but staying in our houses forever isn't possible either. The risk is much, much lower than it was.

Time to get out there and get on with it.

@MarshaBradyo

Too fast, going against SAGE advice.

He's fucked everything else up so this is the next thing. So much for following the science.

Money talks.

Economy matters also. Would you feel differently if your income was variable and impacted? Or job lost or household income stopped (not sure what you do)

No, I wouldn't feel differently.

Too much too soon and the R rate will go up. I'm not saying nothing should have opened, just that it's poor science to open so much all at the same time.

I don't want to be right but I'd lay money on it.

Yes it is too fast.but people will do what they want to do as they know best

All we can do is hope we don’t get a second wave, and that people don’t take the piss and do as they are asked. But as people haven’t that’s not likely to happen

It seems too fast for me, but I may be proved wrong. I hope so.

It does mean that we are going to have to make some difficult decisions that put us at risk, which does worry me.

Both my husband and I have health issues that put us in the original vulnerable list, but not in the extremely vulnerable. We are is almost at the end of a 14 day isolation prior to my husband having an investigation to check that his cancer hasn't come back.

My daughter is a single parent to two small children and we have had to be a major support to her and do lots of childcare. She has decided that we will be her bubble for support during CV. It makes me anxious that we will be having a lot more close contact with her and our grandchildren at a time when they will be having much closer contact with the rest of the community. We feel that pressure even though it puts us at more risk.

No. I think Boris made it perfectly clear a lot of personal responsibility has to come in to play now.

Dom I do trust Whitty, not sure if you listened to briefing, but I found him cautious but right on balancing risks. It helped to hear him talk about what is happening.

@IcedPurple

Too fast, going against SAGE advice

Really?

Also, SAGE isn't one person. Different members will have different opinions. At the end of the day, they are just expert advisors. The govt has to take all sorts of things other than the scientific advice into acccount.

"Just" expert advisers? What a peculiar thing to say.

People who know more about the science than Johnson and his chums, I think you meant.

Johnson promised that he would be guided by the science. We realised a while back this was yet another of his lies.