Do you think things are opening too fast?

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My friend has just said she's not rushing into anything /going anywhere for the rest of the year.
Do you think Lockdown is over too fast ?

Still can't believe that people think that lockdown was to protect us personally!

Well enough people claimed their kids were suffering to protect the clinically vulnerable and people who would die soon anyway so lots believed it even if inaccurate.

Same, my friend actually is a nurse on a covid ward and she said we havent had any admissions for weeks and we are apparently the second worst affected area outside london

@Fizzfan
My next door neighbour also a nurse on a high dependency ward said same.

Even during the height of lockdown, our local CV ward wasn't full, however, many who did come out of ICU spent significant time in community hospitals, recovering from severe side effects.

The UK cannot afford another general lockdown, but it seems the answer to this huge spending is Quantitative Easing (or printing money) so who knows?

ATM we don't have the means, manpower or laws to enforce local lockdowns.

@Bubbletrouble43

Does the WHO announcing a surge of cases in European countries that have eased lockdown count as zero evidence? Frustrating that they haven't included actual numbers, I wonder to what extent.

The WHO hasn't included numbers but it has given the names of the countries. Excluding Sweden (which never strictly locked down anyway), the total number of deaths from all 10 of the other countries named adds up to 2770. So I'd say this may be a first wave for most of these countries, rather than a second wave?

Still can't believe that people think that lockdown was to protect us personally!

Try harder, because there would be a lot more dead if we hadn't locked down.
I'd call that protecting people myself.
The NHS would have been overwhelmed too,had we not locked down.
So a case for both.
HTH

ATM we don't have the means, manpower or laws to enforce local lockdowns

...we can't even enforce the current restriction, either in Brixton or at the seaside, especially in Bournemouth and Southend.

This country is a joke

When will people realise that lockdown was NOT to stop people getting it (including the shielded) it was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. The peak has gone, the NHS was not overwhelmed. Job done.
Of course it was to save lives. It wasn't just about protecting the NHS. The only part of the slogan that stayed was the bit that said save lives!

I agree with Nonny. Ensuring the NHS wasn't overwhelmed was essential and what the public message focused on, but the fundamental importance of lockdown was to break the chain of transmission stopping exponential growth and allowing levels of infection to become low enough to contain. Containment is still going to rely on effective tracing and isolation measures being in place.

@IrmaFayLear

I think the govt went wrong with their message originally. People thought and still think it’s all about saving them personally.

The media (GMTV in particular) were hysterical about care home deaths, repeating this mantra that any death is unacceptable. Clearly none of these idiots had ever been in a care home and seen the state of the occupants, nor realised that in normal times people do, you know, die , especially when they’re 98 with advanced dementia.

I’m in the shielding category, and I’ve seen some utter maniacs on shielding threads. It’s one thing to be nervous of contracting the virus but there seem to be a large number of selfish people who don’t give a fig for anyone but themselves - not even their dcs who they are determined to incarcerate in the house until they’re 35.

Twice as many people died in care homes than at other times, so no they were not all just going to die anyway.

They’ll tell us to wash our hands and the vulnerable to stay at home.

That's what they told people to do back in March, but unfortunately, far too many people were too thick to wash their hands and self isolate. The thickest even continued to go abroad on holiday, go to pubs, even on the day they were told to close. It was the brain dead that caused the need for the lockdown by not following pretty simple rules. As for the numpties who went to Anfield and Cheltenham despite having symptoms - words fail me!

@FizzFan

Last nurse on a Covid ward I spoke to a couple of weeks ago said they were closing the ward and had hardly any cases.

Yep the last nurse on a covid ward I spoke to thinks that we need to get on with our lives, has sent her son back to nursery and is meeting up with friends.

They aren't all cowering in a corner looking at graphs on second waves of previous pandemics.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-outbreak-nursery-20-children-22253165
Its nit going away.

Not

This link also shows the antics at Bournemouth and Exmouth.

@Angelonia
Thankyou that's interesting. Not really a dramatic surge.

The media (GMTV in particular) were hysterical about care home deaths, repeating this mantra that any death is unacceptable. Clearly none of these idiots had ever been in a care home and seen the state of the occupants, nor realised that in normal times people do, you know, die , especially when they’re 98 with advanced dementia.

Excess deaths. I'm very glad you're not in my family.

When will people realise that lockdown was NOT to stop people getting it (including the shielded) it was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. The peak has gone, the NHS was not overwhelmed. Job done.

When will people realise that some people don't care why others did it. They did it for reasons of their own.

Now that we know much more about it and can plan for localised, targetted restrictions, full lockdown won't be neccessary.

Ha. Yes, that was the plan.

Do people really not realise without an economy there is no nhs , furlough etc
And the 2 m rule hasnt been scrapped its 1m only if a mask is worn or other restrictions so if working in a pub they will have to adhere to this and 2 m still if possible ( most other countries have not done 2 m from beginning )
He didn't open pools and gyms as was expected so going a little slower
Schools open fully would of been impossible unless social distancing was scrapped all together plus a lot were and still are saying they wouldnt send them back if this were the case
We have to start doing some things whilst monitoring closely as it doesnt look like this is going away anytime soon

Well the seaside town I’m in apart from the hospitality sector is as busy as ever.
Roads are full.
We’ve said goodbye to cheap petrol, now up to 103.7 from 99.7
Beaches are full, takeaways have been doing a roaring trade for ages.
Most shops open.
All good

It’s only when you’re waiting for a dental appointment etc you realise we aren’t quite there yet

When will people realise that lockdown was NOT to stop people getting it (including the shielded) it was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. The peak has gone, the NHS was not overwhelmed. Job done.

This was the initial reason given, but if the Government’s sole objective was to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed we’d have opened up our restaurants etc 6 or more weeks ago.

The Government’s policy clearly isn’t simply to keep just enough of a lid on infections to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, it’s to get infections to a level they can control escalation, and allow us to go back to 90%+ to normal.

... until a vaccine is found.

But if we naively think “it’s all over”, and go back 100% to normal, we’ll be back to square one by September.