Do you think things are opening too fast?

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My friend has just said she's not rushing into anything /going anywhere for the rest of the year.
Do you think Lockdown is over too fast ?

Possibly a little, but we need to get back to normal.

The important thing to remember, apart from work nobody has to go anywhere, or see anybody, so even if things are open, you don't have to go!

Yes, it feels rather fast to me.

I guess each person decides how they want to approach it. Just because you can doesn't mean you should do something.

I don't intend to sit in a restaurant, pub or cinema for quite some time yet. Takeaways will suit me for now if I want restaurant food. I'll also avoid close contact with anyone who is choosing to visit pubs etc.

I visit my mum but still don't intend to see MIL as she has behaved very differently to my household during this. Although she can take risks if she likes, she can't then expect to transfer her risk to me and my children. She won't like it but I don't really care.

I was quite happy with the 2m rule. Anything less is going to feel uncomfortably close now.

I think I might choose to only go to places where 2m is possible. If many others feel like me it may actually end up slowing the economic recovery by people independently deciding to limit where they go because of the lack of social distancing.

Far too fast IMHO

@fessmess - and do you have any reason to be concerned if you do catch it? Vulnerable? If not, you’ll likely be fine. Even if you consider mild to be flu like, you’ll deal with a shitty couple weeks, recover & move on. I’ve had flu flu & I was so ill. Took me a while to recover but I did. And I don’t walk around petrified about catching it again. I might, I might not. Life goes on.

No. Everything has been shut for 3 months. We can't go on like this.

@fessmess - don’t go back to work then. That’s your choice.

Iv already booked a table to go out for a meal and drinks with family and can’t wait.

Yes I think it is too fast. I am in the vulnerable group and will continue staying in.

What I cannot understand for the life of me is why can hairdressers open? They are touching you, not at least 1m apart? Its barmy

No not too fast we need to ramp up as furlough ends soon.

Hard to see everything back bad some years in schools, frustrating. But hopefully the September words will stick.

@Bol87

No actually. I despise this government but I actually don’t think they are doing that awful a job at easing back to opening stuff up. Schools is a shambles but that aside. They allowed people to go on day trips, see friends in the garden, shielders out for walks, some school years back & nurseries open. It’s been a good month or so now & the figures are still trending downwards or fairly flat. Certainly no signs of a significant spike. A few outbreaks in meat factories etc have been well handled. The NHS is fine from a Covid perspective. Test centres are not remotely overwhelmed. Community transmission is pretty low.

So now, we can open a bit more. Try desperately to try save the economy & people’s livelihoods. People keep bleating on about the govmt only caring about the economy but behind the economy are people’s jobs. People make businesses. The thing that keeps a roof over their heads & fr on the table. So actually, it’s pretty damn important!

Once these changes happen, the next review for August can see if the new changes are working or not. And gives two months grace to ascertain if things are in a good place to reopen schools fully etc!

agree. They are being very cautious IMO and we are not going too fast - far from it Local lockdowns are the way forward now - a whole UK lockdown is very unlikely

and I totally agree, the economy and people's jobs matter as much as covid.

Bol87 - this was Sunday morning, just checked it was approx 12c in our area.

[quote Bol87]@fessmess - and do you have any reason to be concerned if you do catch it? Vulnerable? If not, you’ll likely be fine. Even if you consider mild to be flu like, you’ll deal with a shitty couple weeks, recover & move on. I’ve had flu flu & I was so ill. Took me a while to recover but I did. And I don’t walk around petrified about catching it again. I might, I might not. Life goes on.[/quote]
The flu doesn’t cause damage to the blood vessels, kidneys and brain. It’s a multisystem disorder. The idea that you either end up in ICU with covid, if you’ll be over it in 2 weeks, is basically untrue. There are many people suffering from 3 months +. Fit and healthy people in their 40s and 50s, who are not sick enough to be hospitalised but who are unable to resume a normal life.

Attached from British Heart Journal.

More research is being done now on ‘mild’ covid and it’s effects on the body. Like I said earlier in this thread, I’m lucky enough to be able to ignore the what the government is announcing as safe. But the 2 weeks mild disease thing is completely inaccurate.

Nope. It's just about right I think.

I wish track and trace were the world beating operation we were promised before we got this far down the line.

@fessmess

Think about this. Choice I hear. Well I work in hospitality and have no choice. I will now be in a bar with people drinking and a one metre distancing rule. Basically normal. Ok there are screens etc but before lockdown the customers were all of the "it's just a bit of flu" camp. It's a matter of time before I catch it now. Frantically job hunting but fuck all about. Lamb to the slaughter springs to mind.

And people who say it's gone on too long, SAGE are NOT advising this. This is a government decision all about the fucking economy.

have you been to a supermarket or any other shops recently? They never closed! What about NHS workers, care workers , the police having to police riots and raves, bus drivers, delivery drivers, the army, factory workers they have not stopped working

lamb to the slaughter

@fessmess good job you dont work in retail then, you would have been working with very limited protection throughout. Were you expecting to be at home whilst on 80% pay for ages? If things were to stay closed I suppose you might be lucky and be made redundant when the business collapses so you don't have to go in.

I don't think it's too fast, but I do think it has been done in a way which is clearly political, despite all the 'following the science' waffle. Non-Covid health care and schools should in my view have been the absolute priority, however difficult in practice.
However we are where we are and really do have to carry on opening up if we're going to avoid even worse long term inequality than will already be suffered.

[quote Sandybval]@fessmess good job you dont work in retail then, you would have been working with very limited protection throughout. Were you expecting to be at home whilst on 80% pay for ages? If things were to stay closed I suppose you might be lucky and be made redundant when the business collapses so you don't have to go in.[/quote]
Exactly. People working in supermarkets haven't had the luxury of moaning it's all opening up to fast. It never really closed for them.

Yes. And it's obvious to me that it's to cause the second spike before the winter flu and norovirus drowns the NHS

It feels too soon for me. I've worked throughout, we're still getting people coming in who have temperatures asking for advice. All I want to say is enjoy yourselves, but please be aware and keep yourselves safe.

I think we're all going to react differently to easing of lockdown. Some are desperate for their old lives (which we can't totally have without restrictions). For me, I know someone whose passed away and the four five people I know who've had it really have been ill, it wasn't mild. For this reason, I'm a lot more cautious (I've had pneumonia twice in the past and it wasn't pleasent, believe me, so don't want it again) and I'm also conscious I don't want to be the one to pass it on. Luckily DH thinks the the same.

Nope. I am happy to continue to wfh because it suits me better but I want the rest of my life back to normal now. If people want to continue to be cautious they can. No one is making anyone do anything!

Yes, too fast. Nothing has changed substantially since March – the hospitals may have developed more efficient processes for dealing with cases but there’s no significant tracing, testing, vaccination, or anything else to indicate that it’s safe to resume normal activities.

Instructing shielders they must return to work is sickening and puts many in an impossible situation.

No.

Let's get on with it. In my area they've had fewer than 2 new cases per 200,000 people in the last week. No local deaths.

I'd be happy with everything open right now.

It seems likely that this is a short reprieve before a second lockdown over the winter. The longer this lockdown was, the longer it will take for numbers to build back up again. The more social distancing measures, the longer the time period until the probable second lockdown.

I think it's too fast. I don't think most people have been keeping 2m apart for a while. I won't be going to a pub or into shops for the foreseeable still.

I believe that Boris is more concerned with the economy than lives so yes, I think he's jumping in a bit fast, in honesty.

We all have the choice to go out or not, though. We're not forced to go shopping or to the pub etc.