Do people think it’s over now?

[SpookyNoise]

I’m surprised at how many people seem to think the lockdown is over and there is no threat from the virus. I’ve had a friend ask us over for dinner in their house, and my son has had a friend ask him over to play. We declined both invites, obviously. Has anyone else got friends who think it’s all over?

'@larrygrylls Its a research project which isn't even supported by NHS England and used by only 3% of the population and those users are disproportionately young, female and of a higher socio-economic status than the general population.'

From their own site:

'The COVID-19 Symptom Study app has been developed by health science company ZOE and it is endorsed by the Welsh Government, NHS Wales, the Scottish Government and NHS Scotland. 3,911,738 participants have downloaded the app and are using it to regularly report on their health, making it the largest public science project of its kind anywhere in the world. App data is being analysed in collaboration with King's College London researchers.'

So, I make that more like 6% of the population-a very statistically significant sample!

And you are being somewhat disingenuous when you say it is not being endorsed by NHS England. It is endorsed by a lot of the rest of the UK. The reason NHS England did not endorse it is they wanted to support NHSX, the rather embarrassingly poor health service technology unit.

You might want to have a look at this Guardian article:

www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/20/nhs-covid-app-developers-tried-to-block-rival-symptom-trackers

I am not sure how you know about the makeup of the users of the App, but the developers are well aware of their user base and perfectly capable of adjusting the statistics accordingly.

Why are you so against it?
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I'm not against it, I just don't think people should be taking it as a valid indicator of infections or how many people have 'symptoms'. Especially when such a tiny percentage of the population are using it.

And I got the information about the makeup of the users of the app from the leaders of the project!

www.kcl.ac.uk/news/researchers-analysing-zoe-covid-symptom-tracking-app-data-urge-more-people-to-use-it

www.kcl.ac.uk/news/symptom-tracker-app-hits-15-million-uk-users

If many more than 3% of the population start using it and it actually reflects the demographics of the UK more equally, it'll be more significant to me.

Winning,

The sources you link to are 2 and 1 month old respectively. The user number I linked to (3.9 million users) is far more recent.

As I said, it is now close to 6% of the population.

You're right it's nearer to 6% of the population though, I was looking at their previous user numbers. Hopefully, it's being used more by other demographics now, i'll await more recent data eagerly.

Daughter works in ICU and they are just waiting for the next wave. Everything they do is in anticipation of it happening soon. If we are all sensible and abide by the rules we may just get away with it.

@thea543

From the conversation's I've had with most of the dr's at my trust, all indications are that a 2nd wave is inevitable. At least next time, the NHS is better equipped and can switch everything off and scale up the critical care to treat patients. Plus we now have a treatment pathway.

I read that South Korea is going through a 2nd wave as I type. Something about dropping the 2metre social distancing rules too soon.

Daughter works in ICU and they are just waiting for the next wave. Everything they do is in anticipation of it happening soon

Of course the healthcare system should be anticipating the 'next wave' and preparing accordingly. It would be highly irresponsible for them not to do so. But that doesn't neccessarily mean that the 'next wave' is likely or that ICU staff have any particular knowledge one way or the other.

@thea543

Daughter works in ICU and they are just waiting for the next wave. Everything they do is in anticipation of it happening soon. If we are all sensible and abide by the rules we may just get away with it.

It is only sensible to prepare as a precaution as we have precautions in place for many things in everyday life - fire extinguishers, air bags, we listen to the air stewards when on a flight telling us how to evacuate however that does not mean it is inevitable

I read that South Korea is going through a 2nd wave as I type. Something about dropping the 2metre social distancing rules too soon

SK never imposed any 2 metre social distancing rules.

I read that South Korea is going through a 2nd wave as I type. Something about dropping the 2metre social distancing rules too soon

Pulled from a guardian article dated 22/6 - As of midnight on Sunday, South Korea had reported 17 new coronavirus cases – the first time in nearly a month that daily new cases had dropped below 20. It was a drop from the 48 and 67 cases reported in the previous two days

It is a stretch to say that a small spike in cases is a second wave yet

@NurseButtercup I really don’t see that South Korea are having anything like a second wave. They’ve been recording between roughly 30-50 new cases a day pretty consistently for the last 3 weeks. Yes they’ve had a slight rise but that appears to be remaining pretty static and flat so would seem to be under control.

This is Covid 19 documentary is trending in cyber space:

Any thoughts or validity as it's so difficult to see the wood for the trees these days with forever spin and counter spin from all sections of the political spectrum globally.

In any case Covid is not to be taken lightly as I am personally astonished with the general relaxed attitude of many here (no PPE and mass gatherings/parties/staycations/demonstrations/riots etc in public places) and hence less shocked by the ever growing fatalities with according to some estimates at already UK 50k plus! It all depends on how the counting is done (comorbidity etc) or whether it is super secretive or just negligently inaccurately accounted. In the UK I am assuming we have sort of spared if not "saved" the NHS but obviously the "care" homes with evidently sacrificed?

Covid has shown the globe the mass variation in government leadership performance and local population behavioral differences from USA, Brazil, Russia and India in one extreme and Hong Kong, Taiwan and New Zealand on the other as hence the opposite ends of the fatalities scale.

Some interesting thoughts (not necessarily doom and gloom!) for this online UK mums community to ponder....

Stay safe!

I really don’t see that South Korea are having anything like a second wave.

More of a ripple than a wave.... “Second wave” presumably used to ensure people take it seriously in the country. Similar with Australia too... panic buying of toilet roll after a few dozen new cases.

I just don't get the toilet roll thing, full stop!

Sick of seeing people desperate for a second wave. It’s morbid

@heyheyho

Sick of seeing people desperate for a second wave. It’s morbid

Too true.

Nobody wants this virus with no cure in the first place let alone further waves. So basically perhaps people need to learn to behave more cautiously and as Covid safe as practicable? What ever the governments say is to be taken into consideration but if people just use the guidelines as a very rough guide but instead of doing a “Cummings“ perhaps wash hands more than 20 seconds and stay at least 2m away from others etc etc? Sure as not always practicable but why start “relaxing” and over crowd the beaches, parks and have endless street parties as sometimes reported in the news but not necessarily unless it turns into police “warfare“ or yet another identity politics bandwagon dressed up an boredom and Covid fatigue.

If as a collective community joe public play ball then we may actually have a small chance of getting rid of this pesky killer disease all together as further short term lockdown pain then true long term Covid free freedom and no further spikes and waves etc. I am guessing Leicester does not count!

Has any medic actually discovered enough about the long term impacts of this on the lungs?

At least next time, the NHS is better equipped and can switch everything off and scale up the critical care to treat patients. Plus we now have a treatment pathway

No we do not, we have a steroidal treatment for the sickest of all and even then will save approx 30% of those on ventilators.

"Switching everything off" as you put it, means more suffering and death among the non CV ill.

There is still nothing in place to stop infections in care homes/social care, even now, my DD gets ONE fucking mask per shift (up to 8 hours), unless she treats a none CV patient.

Pointing out the failings in our Govt's policies (or lack of) on CV, isn't wishing a 2nd wave, it is trying to prevent one!
But go ahead and enjoy your drinks on Saturday.

Sick of seeing people desperate for a second wave. It’s morbid

Totally agree

@InOutofmymind

'No we do not, we have a steroidal treatment for the sickest of all and even then will save approx 30% of those on ventilators.'

Are you a doctor or a nurse? Just wondering if the steroidial treatment would work on someone who is already on steroids for breathing issues. And what their chances are they can pull through if unlucky enough to get it. I am on shielding list and staying in and being extremely cautious but as things are opening up still and getting to the end of shielding very worried about whats going on. Would appreciate the insight.

Sick of seeing people desperate for a second wave. It’s morbid

Eh? Who is desperate for a 2nd wave ?? What have I missed?