Do people think it’s over now?

[SpookyNoise]

I’m surprised at how many people seem to think the lockdown is over and there is no threat from the virus. I’ve had a friend ask us over for dinner in their house, and my son has had a friend ask him over to play. We declined both invites, obviously. Has anyone else got friends who think it’s all over?

Our upstairs neighbours' think it's over.. party above us! Seriously....SMH

No, but they are being responsible and thinking of others and society as a whole. A completely different attitude

I think the media portrayed that but at 90% compliance I think as a country we were pretty responsible. The Swedish were filling their bars and restaurants at the height of it all. How does that demonstrate they were more responsible as citizens than us? It’s just a perception that we have. Even before we were locked down in the UK a lot of our bars and restaurants were slowing down. I agree we should have locked down sooner but It’s unfair to judge the British public so harshly. I think must people have gone along with it quite stoically. Of course we will pay the price economically while the Swedish probably won’t. Who is in the right depends on how you look at it.

90% compliance? That is another made up Government propaganda figure!

I think Sweden is a very different country, but it certainly is interesting.

Throughout this most experts have said, and head of independent SAGE was recently reiterating, that the idea of economy versus health/fighting covid is a false opposition. Whether that is totally correct or not, it emphasises to me that we should have thrown more at this virus in the very early days...that way fighting the outbreak and protecting the economy from prolonged lockdown.

Well I’ve been shopping - boys needed shoes, had my hair done, had a bbq and been for dinner. Considering my husband works in close contact with the friend I don’t see why we can’t socialise with his family - if one gets we all get it unless the men move in together and us wives live together with the kids. If people don’t snap out of this fug the country is fucked. I think it shows how privileged mn that you all sit in your homes.

I’m laughing at the thought that people have gone back to ‘normal’
I mean sure if normal means home schooling your kids, never ever going to s restaurant, a bar, a theatre. Never going on holiday. Watching only repeats on TV.
Yup absolutely normal.

The UK (well the bit near me) was great at compliance, the roads, everything was super quiet, i was cycling on A roads and not seeing a single car.
BUT after Cummings, everything seemed to change from a "We are all in it together" to "if they can do it, so can i"

Anyway, the UK is 7th in the world for CV infections, behind USA, Saudi Arabia and 4 south american countries.

So to me, our lockdown has achieved the double of wrecking the economy, yet not controlling the virus, lets hope the falls we are now seeing continue and we don't go into the winter with CV in general circulation.

For me the catastrophic number of deaths on the U.K. was caused primarily by the lack of PPE for health professionals and the decision to send thousands of elderly patients from hospitals to care homes without testing them.

@HelloMissus

For me the catastrophic number of deaths on the U.K. was caused primarily by the lack of PPE for health professionals and the decision to send thousands of elderly patients from hospitals to care homes without testing them.

That’s what I think too. Compliance with lockdown exceeded the government’s wildest dreams. I was in a food shop yesterday and the difference in adhering to social distancing in just a week was very noticeable. There’s a suggestion now that people strictly complying with it wear a ribbon or badge, that implies to me that a lot of people have given up.

There has been a huge number of deaths in care homes, and its still going on, care home near has just announced 9 inew infections and 1 death) but these are far exceeded by deaths in the community.

We locked down when CV had become wide spread, Scientists now say a week earlier would have halved our deaths.

I do not understand why people somehow think that cannot re occur.

@Derbygerbil

Not missing the point at all. And I am not advocating a sudden return to pre-Covid normality. Everybody should be sensible and exercise common sense. (Common sense goes a long way and is better than a Government guideline for everything).
My point is that at 1 in 1700 it is a very low risk - certainly something that does not bother me. I accept that many people are bothered and I was just asking how low infections would have to be to give them the confidence to return to some kind of normality?

I do not understand why people somehow think that cannot re occur.

Some people have a tendency to only be able to see as far as their nose....

Take early March, I recall someone asking whether they will still be able to go to Rome mid-month... Cue people saying “it’s fine... It’s only really in the north”, with no apparent grasp that things would likely be different in a few weeks.

It’s the same now.... Numbers are currently pretty low (though not at European levels), so that apparently means “it’s all over”, with no grasp that this will simply mean a return to how things were back in March! Loosen restrictions somewhat, definitely... but this isn’t all over!

@Noextremes2017

Apologies. I had misinterpreted the tone of your post.

I dont understand people who think we have gone back to normal. Having to homeschool 2 kids whilst caring for a newborn is not normal. Nor is her grandparents not being able to hold her normal. Queing for shops is not normal. There is nothing to do except go for a walk and by this point my kids think it is a form of torture. There is still padlocks on playgrounds, no soft play, bowling, cinema, can't go out for lunch or for a coffee, no nights out. Even if people do think its over, they are still extremely restricted in what they can do!

People live in their own bubbles, picking and choosing what's relevant to them, their family and friends... this is the society we've created over the last 20 to 30 years. We don't look at or care about the bigger picture because it has little relevance to our daily lives, it's not until the 'outside' breaks through our bubble that we take notice.

There has been a huge number of deaths in care homes, and its still going on, care home near has just announced 9 inew infections and 1 death) but these are far exceeded by deaths in the community.

More deaths have occurred in care homes than any other setting, so that’s blatantly not correct.

@fizzfan

I was going to say something similar! Around half of UK deaths occurred in care homes out of a population of around 400,000 as I understand it.

If we had gotten a better grip on care homes early on (and not driven the sector into the ground with years of underfunding) our figures would, I suspect, be significantly lower.

Can’t you just sense when pretty much everyone and everything is up the creek without a paddle and suffering in Covid silence with lost surreal souls, while smart opportunistic litigation legal eagles are waiting to pounce and grab their share of the forthcoming hunger games when all this is done and dusted until the endless inquiries as to who said and did what or omitted to do what Covid medical mismanagement negligence litigation jumps in to settle scores!

Lawyers must be salivating at the yacht club specing out the options tick boxes on yet another joy toy. Covid incubation “care” homes springs to mind - all those unfortunate souls and all their previous hard work through wars and peacetime building up this country creating off spring to further the national economy and then bang!

What a nightmare but wait this is real and I am not still asleep!

The care home I was working at until the week before lock down lost half it's residents to Covid (I adored them all, I'm still so cut up about it and God know what the families went though) and it's only a small home in a small town in the West Midlands. I can't imagine what it was like in the larger homes in inner cities. Complete disaster and I hope heads roll when the true toll becomes known.

No one will be held accountable, Hancock and Johnson will mutter something about lessons learned and we will all collectively shrug our shoulders and move on.

But people (20-30k) did not even say good bye and “gone before their time“ as Boris famously said at the outset if we don’t all imprison ourselves (admittedly not that many years remaining when already in a “care” home).

Surely someone has to step up to the plate and face the music! This must be classic textbook medical negligence and not simply falling short of expectations and move on - next Brexshit etc!

Our government and indeed governments around the world are untouchable they have literally gotten away with murder but hey ho never mind lessons learned mumble mumble, lets take back control and level up 😢

they have literally gotten away with murder

Can you hear yourself? It is a virus, doing what a virus does. Yes things maybe could have been handled better but seriously?

Just quoting from inkpaperstars above: More worryingly though of the 94% who'd experienced no symptoms, 54% had suffered lung damage.

I don't understand this. What is asymptomatic damage? Damage that shows up on a scan but has no physical effects? Why would that matter? If it means breathing problems, then surely you have symptoms?

For everyone saying that it's going to increase exponentially again, what makes you think this? If the population were 100pct susceptible, then that would make sense, but it's fairly clear that is not the case (and frankly has been ever since the first data from closed populations like the Diamond Princess)

And that scaremongering graph with COVID shooting up the death stats! What lunatic created that? The populations are not remotely comparable. The median age of death of someone with COVID in developed countries is 80. You should not be comparing deaths of 80 year olds in developed nations with deaths from malaria, malnutrition, drowning and homicide.
You should compare them with dementia, heart disease and cancer. There's a good reason those causes of death were not on the chart! Would have lost any impact whatsoever.