Do people think it’s over now?

[SpookyNoise]

I’m surprised at how many people seem to think the lockdown is over and there is no threat from the virus. I’ve had a friend ask us over for dinner in their house, and my son has had a friend ask him over to play. We declined both invites, obviously. Has anyone else got friends who think it’s all over?

Discharging thousands of carehome residents to free up hospital beds without testing them or knowing full well that they were infected is not simply mishandling things it gross negligence at best, I'm sure their families don't see it as oops made a bit of a mistake but never mind.

You should compare them with dementia, heart disease and cancer. There's a good reason those causes of death were not on the chart! Would have lost any impact whatsoever.

Hallelujah! I was despairing at the lack of critical awareness of the manipulation of these stat to give maximum scare! Thank you!
Why are people so eagerly hoping for a 'second wave' so eager they will twist any data they can seize on to misrepresent.

I'm more curious as to why someone (who are Flourish Studios?) would want to try and scare the crap out of people? What's in it for them? It seems sinister.

@peonypower

Re the damage in asymptomatic patients, I am not sure either, I have been wondering. I don't have access to the full text of the study, but reports from doctors back up the suggestion that lung damage appears on scans in some of those who have no symptoms and were being scanned for other reasons.

There is no doubt a complex medical explanation of what it means and why it happens. Not sure if it relates to the reports that some patients have very low oxygen but are not conscious of breathing difficulties.

If I had to guess on the effects, I would say that it is like some other organs...you can lose a fair bit of function before you would notice in everyday life. But if you were to become more active or challenge the organ it would show, or if you were to experience any other problems with the organ in the future you would begin at a disadvantage. Just a guess.

However, I do not know, a medic would have to give an answer. I expect they are still working to understand it fully.

@peonypower
Totally agree. The misuse of statistics has been appalling.

yes its back to buisness as usual and everywhere back to being overcrowded.. majority think its over and done

*I’m laughing at the thought that people have gone back to ‘normal’
I mean sure if normal means home schooling your kids, never ever going to s restaurant, a bar, a theatre. Never going on holiday. Watching only repeats on TV.
Yup absolutely normal
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Ha yeah me too
And doing my job entirely from a tiny desk squeezed in the dining room corner, with no printer and shit next-to-useless zoom meetings which in no way replace proper human interaction

@MrsPear How have you had your hair done? Hair dressers aren’t allowed to work yet.

@NellyLongarms

they have literally gotten away with murder

Can you hear yourself? It is a virus, doing what a virus does. Yes things maybe could have been handled better but seriously?

Deliberately infecting millions of people with a deadly virus is not an act of nature. Murder wouldn't stick, but manslaughter probably would.

How have you had your hair done? Hair dressers aren’t allowed to work yet

Friends who are hairdressers perhaps.

More deaths have occurred in care homes than any other setting, so that’s blatantly not correct

Officially (as of 16th june) approx 16000 care homes deaths, out of 42000.

Yes agree the numbers of deaths from care homes is about 40%, still a big percentage.

You should not be comparing deaths of 80 year olds in developed nations with deaths from malaria, malnutrition, drowning and homicide.
You should compare them with dementia, heart disease and cancer. There's a good reason those causes of death were not on the chart! Would have lost any impact whatsoever

The point of the chart is to show that we have gone from no deaths from CV-19 to 100s of 1000s in just a few months, despite locking down around 3 billion people.
Most diseases are treatable and/or preventable, CV is not.

So what if the mean age is 80? my mum died at 82, i'd have been even more upset at her death had she died 2 years earlier, even 6 months would have been terrible.

People who say Its only the elderly dying either have never experienced the death of a parent or didn't care enough to be upset.

Who are 'people'? If I am 'people', I am working from home, home-schooling one DC, doing the school run for another, (who the government want back in school), meeting my mum (who is in my bubble), meeting people outside (in groups no more than six). As per the guidelines. They also now state you can go to non-essential shops. If by 'people' you mean the government, that's another question.

Where are people getting the one in 1700 person infected? My zoe app which is run with kings college, and works with the NHS estimates that 0.4 % are infected in my area. That's just under 1 in 200.

It is for me tbh. I'm still washing my hands etc and keeping my 2m distance from strangers, but:

• DH is back at nursery
• I'm seeing family without social distancing
• Back at non essential shops
• will be back at restaurants/the hairdresser etc as soon as they're open!

shit next-to-useless zoom meetings

If your zoom meetings are shit the issue lies with you and your colleagues, not the technology.

The charity I work for has always been home based, and we've always managed to get shit done without a shared office space.

The point about the mean age is simply a factual one for the purposes of statistical analysis, and is really important not just for the sake of pedantry but because sometimes treatments for illnesses will depend on the age of those who most often suffer from them.
Hence the fact, just as one example, that a decision may very well be made not to intubate a very old person, because the outcomes are very poor (not because no one cares that old people die but because you can make them more ill by treating inappropriately).
Ditto for example the treatments for Parkinsons, often a disease of the more elderly, can be different for young sufferers, who have different life needs and expectations and because side effects can vary in personal importance depending on many factors including age and stage of life.
Therefore it could be seen as quite irresponsible to create graphs which are medically unhelpful and it is therefore valid to pint out the problems with this particular one.
Not meaning to derail the point of the thread but I think it's important sometimes to step back and not see factual analysis as a heartless attack on a particular group.

"I assume those high risk (like my other grandparents) will be shielding so I don't think about passing it on and before COVID when did people really think about passing stuff onto other strangers"

We are really fucked if this is most people's attitude.

We currently have low levels of covid. We have a chance of keeping levels low, but it depends on people giving some thought to whether they might be passing it on and taking steps to avoid it.

This is a nationwide infection control problem and if millions of people aren't bothering to try to stop the virus spreading then cases will go straight back up.

It's not even that hard. There are loads of things that most people can do, most of the time, like handwashing, only meeting outdoors, not mixing if someone in the family has any symptoms at all, trying to stay a few feet apart from strangers especially in enclosed spaces.

People who don't bother to do these things because they're not personally scared of the virus put us all at risk of cases going up fast again. And then hospitals will be restricted for longer, schools won't be able to open, all the worst bits of dealing with lots of cases will be back.

Lots of people didn't bother thinking about passing things on before lockdown but that wasn't ok, it was shit (literally in the case if norovirus outbreaks that could have been avoided by people taking sensible precautions).

Children who need to be at school, cancer patients who need treatment, people like me waiting for postponed non-covid treatment - we really really need infection rates to stay low, to get even lower, and not to rise again. We need people to keep caring about not spreading the virus. The worst possible thing for us is people deciding that they don't care about catching and spreading covid because their individual risk is low.

People who think it doesn't matter any more and no precautions are needed - please reconsider that. If covid rates rise again because people have stopped bothering to be careful, don't think it's just elderly or vulnerable people who will suffer and who could stay at home to avoid it. It's far far more people than just those.

@eeeyoresmiles👏

There is good news on the horizon, we will cope better if there is a second wave.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/why-doctors-say-uk-better-prepared-for-second-wave-coronavirus

Unless you've got good reason to believe you or your friends are infected with the virus, then it isn't really obvious.
Well there are two very good reasons. One is that it is currently ilegal to go inside anyone elses house unless you are in a bubble with them. And two currently there are around 3500 new infections in the UK every day. It has not gone away.

[quote Alex50]There is good news on the horizon, we will cope better if there is a second wave.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/why-doctors-say-uk-better-prepared-for-second-wave-coronavirus[/quote]
Second waves are when a virus seems to disappear and then re-appears, often more virulently. This has gone nowhere, it's just declined in infection rates. It's just another hammer in Nature's toolbox.

I didn’t say it had gone away, neither does the link

"If your zoom meetings are shit the issue lies with you and your colleagues, not the technology."

Or could it be that they are not suited to the nature of my role?
Internal stuff is fine. Relationship building externally is not.
I can see why someone with your lack of manners is better off kept away from external engagement.