Nightingale schools

[Crimples]

In the same way they knocked up all those hospitals in next to no time, why can’t they do the same with schools?
Genuine question, apologies if it’s has already been discussed

Where exactly would you put these super schools? Nightingale hospitals fine, there were however many (10?) across the country. In my town there are 10 primary schools, and problems 6 secondary. Where’s the spacefor a super school, for each, tines by however many across the country??

Nightingale hospitals weren't new buildings, they were requisitioned buildings. There aren't sufficient buildings for the additional classrooms required.

Private schools are opening like state schools (apart from full boarding ones). But I assume the ones that aren't 'open' are still providing education remotely probably via live lessons so pretty much all teachers are doing the hours they were doing when the pupils were in school.

I haven’t seen the other threads.
I was responding to this one.

New buildings is an obvious solution or the alternative is part-time education for a long time which I don’t think anyone, teachers or parents, is in favour of.

LynetteScavo

the other issue with Secondary is KS4.

What do you do when half the bubble doesn't take the options subject that you teach.

I’d like to see local authorities open up some leisure facilities only available to shielded children and distanced to allow them some degree of mixing with other shielded children - perhaps music groups or sports sessions?
WTAF?! If you're shielding, you're fucking SHIELDING!! From everyone, even other "shielding" kids!!

It just struck me as incredible how the hospitals were pulled together in such an impressive amount of time and wondered if schools could happen too.

It's not comparing like with like though is it? There are over a 1000 hospitals in the UK and they built what, 7 nightingale hospitals?

There are 32770 schools, to make this work you'd need the same number of nightingales.

New buildings is an obvious solution

Yes, until you think about it for a couple of seconds.

Igtg

The government are the ones preventing part time and rota schooling.

Where are they supposed to get all these extra teachers from? Even if the spaces were available, the teaching profession has been decimated in the last few years with teachers leaving the profession in droves! They aren't going to be coming back any time soon and neither are those who have retired early!

(I read)
capacity of Nightingale hospitals: 13,000
Duration of stay anticipated in a Nightingale hospital: 1-3 weeks.

of children in state education in England: 4 million?

so... 2 million extra spaces needed if existing schools went to half current density.
For 39 weeks.

I dunno, Education kind of seems like a very different scale of problem.

[quote Crimples]@ohthegoats but it wouldn’t be a stranger if it was their teacher?[/quote]
Who would it be then?!

@Igtg

I haven’t seen the other threads. I was responding to this one.

New buildings is an obvious solution or the alternative is part-time education for a long time which I don’t think anyone, teachers or parents, is in favour of.

New buildings? What a fab idea - no one's suggested that yet. Except, of course, all the gazillions of people on here who haven't grasped that: a) there is no money for the billions it would cost (schools haven't even be given the promised laptops for disadvantaged pupils, let alone any for staff working from home, nor any money for additional cleaning materials) b) there will be no teachers available to teach in them (and don't suggest retired teachers or those who have left the profession - they did that for a reason!) c) there is no space in many school grounds to put them.

Next! fucking stupid suggestion.

Where the is a will, there is a way. Everyone needs to think of solutions rather that why it can’t work.

@Mrswalliams1

Where the is a will, there is a way. Everyone needs to think of solutions rather that why it can’t work.

Forgive me if we don't ask for ridiculous "solutions from Joe Public who hasn't the first idea how schools operate.

Additional funding would be a start. None of the ideas mooted will work without additional funding

Where the is a will, there is a way. Everyone needs to think of solutions

Oh I see now - right, will get right on it.

Bless.

I think the nightingale hospitals were set up by the armed services in existing buildings. So I assumed we could get the army in to help build new schools to allow bubbles of 15. The UK has just over 32000 schools and just under 150000 people in the armed services, so that means if they were put in teams of 4 each team could be sent to a school - I don't know much about building but I think it would take 4 people more than 10 weeks to build a school...

I think my new plan of paying teachers the same amount, as say the PM gets would solve a lot of the problems, as many are already learning its a tough job, we cannot work without schools. We need to get more teachers in, I feel this would solve a lot of the problems.

Same workload though,

I'm not convinced Nightingale hospitals were ever used especially well, and have so far represented good value for money. The government made a big song and dance about having the buildings, but I don't think there was ever enough staff and they were closed. I think it would be the same with Nightingale schools. I think any extra money could be better spent elsewhere.

Just to say we've been loaned an ipad plus a mobile hotspot from our school. Socially delivered by the head. Not heard anything about transport for August though.

State school in Scotland.

@ballsdeep Who would it be then?!

One of the new half million teachers the government is going to recruit by 1st September apparently.

It would be far cheaper, and improve families' lives in general, for the government to run a huge scheme to provide all pupils who need them with laptops, and all families who need it with internet access (and also subsidies with electricity bills for those on low incomes), just for starters, with a list of online libraries, free learning resources, etc.
It wouldn't solve everything, but it would be a start in actually tackling inequality of access to information and technology, which is a big problem.

I don't think there was ever enough staff

It's almost as if they have decimated public services for years.

@Mrswalliams1

Where the is a will, there is a way. Everyone needs to think of solutions rather that why it can’t work.

What’s yours then? And it can’t involve retired teachers, working through summer, unqualified staff or those not DBA cleared. You need to consider staffing as well as space. I’m all ears.

I’d like to see local authorities open up some leisure facilities only available to shielded children and distanced to allow them some degree of mixing with other shielded children - perhaps music groups or sports sessions?
WTAF?! If you're shielding, you're fucking SHIELDING!! From everyone, even other "shielding" kids!!

I think I possibly get their logic @CallmeAngelina , their thinking maybe is that children who are shielding ( who's family is also shielding?) could play with other children in the same position as none of them mix with other people? I'm thinking that could be what the mean. I'm not sure it works though!