Nightingale schools

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In the same way they knocked up all those hospitals in next to no time, why can’t they do the same with schools?
Genuine question, apologies if it’s has already been discussed

at the risk of another round of 'teachers get too many holidays' etc, teachers have already worked for free for 3 weeks, now we're expected to do another 6?

That would mean teachers have gone from mid-February through to mid-October without a break. Potentially longer because it won’t be over by October so we realistically won’t be getting a break until summer 2021 and maybe beyond.

Is that enough for the haters? Anything else you’d like us to do?

Hearhooves, I know what the shielding requirements are. Clearly at the moment it would be inappropriate. It was a suggestion, to someone who wanted to hear how shielding children could be included. If you genuinely think that the shielding strictness will remain until there are zero cases and then children can just return to school as normal then fine, it wouldn’t work. I thought it might be a step between the two.

Mrswalliams1
Where the is a will, there is a way. Everyone needs to think of solutions rather that why it can’t work.

Is the money for way going to come from the wills?

legal for children to socialise in groups

Yep, they should have done that first in my opinion. Open parks - be really strict with adults in terms of them social distancing - ie, if this works folks then we know schools are safe and we can get back to it. Keep vulnerable people protected, so no visits to granny or whatever - but just let kids play/do what they normally do. Especially since the weather was so good.

Then watched for any changes in infection rates. Should have done it before half term, checked it out for 2 or 3 weeks, could have got everyone back for a month as Johnson wanted.

Unfortunately he'd already fucked it up by putting an arbitrary date on it and aiming for that date. He is a phenominally weak leader.

Luckily, I don’t think even our government is stupid enough to try and get teachers to work throughout the summer.

@Thetriangle

Hearhooves, I know what the shielding requirements are. Clearly at the moment it would be inappropriate. It was a suggestion, to someone who wanted to hear how shielding children could be included. If you genuinely think that the shielding strictness will remain until there are zero cases and then children can just return to school as normal then fine, it wouldn’t work. I thought it might be a step between the two.

And the step or two in between is likely to be that a shielded child can meet up with a tiny number of low risk family rather than a group of other families and staff, no?

Much lower risk to say the shielded can now meet up with say grandparents rather than 10 unrelated kids in a leisure centre.

If they opened up buildings extra staff would be required anyway. Or is everyone saying no to summer saying no to that too?

If you can find those extra teachers they could be the ones who do summer, just no buildings to be built.

If people think staff cannot be found no matter what then a different issue. We are at capacity and no more teaching can be found. I don’t know if it can be

@FrippEnos that is how one local school paid for books this year, they were left some money in someone’s will.

@JustALittlePinot Yes, I’m soooooo tired! Primary teacher here, since March it’s been like report season all the sodding time. Now absolutely on my knees trying to keep up our high quality home learning offering and full time teach a KW bubble - never mind trying to parent an under-2 too!

I’d happily have a bubble of 60 in September if I could just have a few weeks over the summer where every evening is not spent in front of my laptop.

If you can find those extra teachers they could be the ones who do summer, just no buildings to be built

But that's what people are saying - they don't have these extra teachers. Where do you think they would come from?

And shielded pupils? (sorry for appalling typo is previous post) It is important that this most isolated of groups is not overlooked. So what is the solution for them?

Online tuition provided by shielded teachers is obviously the only short term option for shielded pupils. Not ideal, but better than nothing. Gives the shielded pupils some teachers and gives the shielded teachers some work they can safely do.

The teaching profession has never been more devalued and diminished than it is now and yet the onslaught continues from Joe Public thinking they can run a school. You can’t even cope with teaching your own little darling so what makes you think you can redesign the entire education system? If it wasn’t so sad it would be laughable. To those of you on here with the bright ideas- no one yet has come up with a feasible solution and that’s because you don’t understand staffing or budgets or limitations or the law or safeguarding.

Luckily, I don’t think even our government is stupid enough to try and get teachers to work throughout the summer.

Let’s see what this summer catch up is. Probably as useful as a fart in an elevator so no they won’t.

Hear if everyone is saying no more to be had fine. Tbh I cba to read the thread.

I think a number of people on these threads should volunteer to become school governors, we have a recruitment issue with them too, and then see what is involved in running a school

@MarshaBradyo

Hear if everyone is saying no more to be had fine. Tbh I cba to read the thread.

Surely common sense would tell you that though? Teachers aren't like spare parts - there's not a warehouse full of them, ready to be pulled out is there?

Where did you think these spare teachers would be coming from?

Right. I need to answer the idiot that abstracted this.
Nightingale hospitals are named after a, can you guess, NURSING pioneer. Her expertise was in nursing.

Primary teachers everywhere thinking 'Urgh, I'm going to have to go back in the last weekend of the holidays to sort out my classroom after it's been full of randoms all summer'.

The same warehouse they got the extra NHS staff.

There’s not much effort for fixing the schooling issue so far is there, unlike NHS capacity .

The government are the ones preventing part time and rota schooling

And rightly so.

Marsha, my school (a great reputation and great to work at) struggles to get applicants for a normal fulltime teaching job. For a 6 week stint I think the number of applicants would be pretty low. And if it's not someone who knows the curriculum/exam system they may do more harm than good (trust me, I've had to reteach part of the curriculum before and it's much harder to teach them something they've been taught wrong than something they've never done before).
Plus recruitment would have to start now, which means money from the government and clear instructions now.

@ohthegoats

Primary teachers everywhere thinking 'Urgh, I'm going to have to go back in the last weekend of the holidays to sort out my classroom after it's been full of randoms all summer'.

I would imagine the majority are more concerned about which “randoms” have had access to young people at the behest of parents.

@ineedaholidaynow

I think a number of people on these threads should volunteer to become school governors, we have a recruitment issue with them too, and then see what is involved in running a school

Yep, I was one until I got sick to death of being held responsible for actioning every new whom and fancy issued by DfE, with ever decreasing budgets and changing goal posts, but then being held to account for the results. And that was before this disaster.

With my cynical hat on I'm convinced that's why government aren't getting more involved in the planning. When it all goes tits up, or there's a huge outbreak linked to schools government will throw their hands up and hold individual school's, or more specifically governors and head teachers responsible.

ineedaholidaynow

Indeed, I am not being entirely flippant about it.

Open parks - be really strict with adults in terms of them social distancing - ie, if this works folks then we know schools are safe and we can get back to it

Schools and parks are not the same. Schools are never going to be safe. All the science is saying transmission is occurring by being in proximity (the same room as someone) for an extended period of time with evidence that heating/air con systems are blowing the virus around. No avoiding it if you’re like that for 6 hours a day. Schools need the bubbles to stop it running through the entire community and increasing community transmission. This is why schools are not reopening, clearly. The death rate in teachers will be high, I don’t think there is any way of avoiding that. Just wait till the lawsuits start.