I know no one who’s had coronavirus and neither do my friends or family

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Or any of their friends or families.
But I have 3 friends who’s businesses probably won’t survive, another who’s husband has just been made redundant, possibly more to follow, a friend who’s teen has sunk into depression. All the dc have missed out educationally and no prospect of getting back to school anytime soon. That’s just my selfish perspective. There’s loads worse off as a consequence of the impact of lockdown and the slow easing out.
Feeling so frustrated with this now. We’re all suffering and I’m not quite sure if the benefits are going to outweigh the losses long term.

"The two metre social distancing thing is a load of crap as well." or so it says on the anti-vax youtube channels where you seem to be getting your information from.

Don't patronise me. And do you have some evidence that supports the two metre social distance theory? Thanks.

I know no one who’s had coronavirus and neither do my friends or family
Maybe that's because a lockdown was introduced, dopey.

@DomDoes - the WHO. Are you really quoting them as an infallible source of knowledge? Look up what they announced about the virus in the early days. China had been treating patients for months. They were neither correct, impartial, nor thorough.

^JellyfishandShells

In an activity group I am in, I know the relatives of 8 who have had it - all young and very fit, including one of my own children ( and they have no social connection to each other nor are geographically that close ) . Only one was asymptomatic at the time he was tested ( went into hospital with an arm injury ) and then he spiked a temperature and fell ill two days later. Two admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties, others recovered at home reported feeling the worst they ever had - not a bad cold, not flu, much worse. And all have reported weird post recovery mini illnesses involving shortness of breath and fatigue.

I’m not saying my experience is typical but equally nor is ‘ well, I don’t know anyone therefore it’s all overblown and only old people anyway’^

I think this is fairly common from what I have heard. Friend in ICU at the beginning of local crisis was full of under 50s and the reports of post viral stuff are everywhere. Can effect different organs - e.g. heart.

OP - you know how you quote the 'low number' of deaths under 45. Did all of the survivors under 45 get a hospital bed? A bed in ICU? A ventilator or CPAP machine if needed? An ambulance to transport them? Yes, I imagine and hope they did. Why did they get that in the midst of a pandemic for which we were unprepared? Oh, a thing called Lockdown happened.
Give your head a wobble and stop posting until you find your intellect.

There is also that they now suspect Covid-19 may increase stroke/heart attack risk. So some people who have died put down to be one of those may actually have died because of Covid-19. They wouldn't be in the official numbers either.

Not one shred of awareness or realisation from the OP as to how her crass comments could affect those on this thread with heartbreaking stories of loss of loved ones. The real upside of lockdown for me is that I am not coming into contact with cretins like this in day to day life.

Probably the reason you don't know anyone is because we did lockdown. If we hadn't the death rate would have. Been much higher. And it's not just the deaths that are the issue, those who survive can have long term health problems. So as well as the possibly 500k deaths many more would have long term health problems. These issues would have impacted the economy, the NHS and our ability to recover fat more than the lockdown we have had.

I live in London and I know a few people who have had it, though only one death.

Most of the young people shook it off, but of two I know in their twenties, one is still in hospital after several weeks and is very poorly and the other appears well but I know she has ongoing chest infection and breathing problems which are simply not responding to all the heavy duty antibiotics the doctors can throw at her.

What was the alternative to lockdown when the virus cases were doubling every few days? Do you think people would have been going to work and shopping as normal when the news was showing people dying in ambulances as they waited to get into hospital or worse still no-one could get take to hospital at all because the hospitals were all overwhelmed?

It wasn't let a few old people die who were going to die anyway and the rest of us carry on as normal. That was never an option.

[quote DianaT1969]@DomDoes - the WHO. Are you really quoting them as an infallible source of knowledge? Look up what they announced about the virus in the early days. China had been treating patients for months. They were neither correct, impartial, nor thorough.[/quote]
No, I'm not. They were being quoted at me. Thanks for the back up.

It would be good to know what region of the country you are in OP. I know a lot who had it because I am in North London which needed the closure of transport and schools, and needed it earlier than it happened as the hospitalisation curve that's always shown on the gov.uk slides demonstrates. I can imagine if the virus never got to your area this all might seem pointless and frustrating.

There's another potential long term problem being discussed now which is triggering diabetes. medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-covid-trigger-diabetes-experts.html

The figure quoted upthread about 2018 flu season is incorrect. 2018 was rated as moderate to high flu year by PHE, and of the excess deaths for the year around 35% we’re down to respiratory illness including influenza. So No, even a bad flu year In a v cold winter is comparable to COVID19 In a mild spring.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final#respiratory-disease-caused-most-excess-winter-deaths
And to the person who asked how has mild been debunked - as you can tell from this thread, the clinical definition of mild is v different from what many of us thought mild meant. Months of debilitating fatigue, fever, aching joints, heart Irrhythmias & breathlessNess is not mild. Now thought to be Between 1/20 & 1/10 Recovered patients, although latest study from the Netherlands puts it much higher

My friend's sister in law died golf Covid. She was in her 50's and not really in bad health to be honest.

My mum's friend's sister died too. She never got to hold her first grandchild due to the pandemic and then her premature death.

My Uncle's two friends died. One was 51, the other in his 70's.

Covid hasn't touched me personally at all. I didn't know these people but I have huge sympathy for the families suffering watching their loved ones die and they can't even be with them. It is serious.

40,000 dead in just a handful of months. It's just luck that it's not my own friends and family.

mac12 all that is true and it must be bloody awful feeling so ill and yet being described as "mild to moderate". I have every sympathy.

However again, most people who get it don't even know, from what the latest figure is telling us, or at least they are asymptomatic.

Someone mentioned earlier that maybe the OP is in one of the areas of the country which has not been hit badly "yet". The country locked down when London was past its peak of infections yet in some places they did not yet have a problem, and the problem is yet to materialise. Yet posters talk as if it's inevitable that the wave will hit these areas because it's their turn next. Well it won't will it? If they locked down at the same time as London, they in fact did what other countries like Norway did, and locked down early and hard, thereby stamping it out before it had got going.

I don't know anyone either. And I live in the West Midlands.

Imagine no lockdown.
You'd probably get to have a few people you know who died or got damaged lungs or other vital organs.
Great, isn't it?

We've lost 5 people. From 40 years of age up. Only 2 had underlying conditions.

There has been many people we both know who tested positive. There are very few who have fully recovered. Still about 2 months later they all seem to have lung problems and chest problems. Not all have underlying conditions and again they are aged from 40+.

One child in dds special needs school is currently in hospital having tested positive with it. She is 12 years of age.

When something doesn't affect you, it's very easy to say it's all OTT and these people either nearly dying or dying are ruining things for everyone else. They should have just stayed in and let everyone else live their lives, and for those of us actually affected, which is many, we have to deal with not being able to visit them in hospital, not being able to go to their funeral, saying goodbye to an unconscious person on zoom!! But feck them, they've lived their lives and its just tough!! Sure more people died of flu and cancer, its just hard luck you caught a fake virus and went and died!!

If there hadn't been a lock down they would have passed it to MANY more.

But look, you're OK and so are your mates so all is good. Just open everything back up, get everyone back to work and get those kids back to school.

When you’re financially secure and unaffected by the impact of lockdown it’s easy to say we should just focus on coronavirus and anyone thinking of anything else is a nasty person. It’s not so simple.

There will also be plenty of people who are losing or will lose their loved ones because of lockdown. Their lives are worth the same as someone who got covid.

It certainly isn't so simple.

When you didn't get ill and nobody close died and you were personally unaffected by the impact of COVID, it’s easy to say we should just focus on the economy (and anyone thinking of anything else is a nasty person.) It’s not so simple.

Fixed it.

If you notice, there have been measures to reduce the impact on the economy.
But even those who will go bankrupt have lived to fight another battle.
What's the point in being financially stable and dead, or disabled because your organs were damaged?

I don't know anyone. Nor does anyone I know.
I sat with 10 friends. We tried to calculate how many people we all knew.

Friends, and friends of friends, acquaintances, our parents and all the people they knew, our siblings and all the people they knew ......

we worked out that of this extended extended group there was possible out of about 25,000 people.

None of which , none, we knew no one who had died.

But the UK Goverment has done a shoddy job throughout.
Lockdown was late, wasn't used to prepare deconfinement properly and it resulted in poor results for the economy and for the fight against COVID.

Lockdown itself isn't the problem

There has been 223 deaths in our borough.

I now people who have died from Covid and others who have been quite seriously ill and taken a long time recovering or not yet recovered. One has heart problems now as Covid doesnt just attack the lungs. It seems to be hard to predict who will get seriously ill with it and who will shake it off easily. The caution has saved lives and stopped the NHS getting overwhelmed which would have meant many people not getting help that could have survived. I hate that life has been compromised so much but I think it was for the best. It worries me that some people dont take it seriously, deliberately break the rules on lockdown, ignore social distancing etc because other people are affected by their actions. I am worried about the economy though and the effect on individual businesses. I just hope we get a solution soon.

I know 3 people who had it, none of them required hospitalization but had a rough few weeks with it.
Agree that the indirect impact of this pandemic is just as horrendous as the many lives lost by it