I know no one who’s had coronavirus and neither do my friends or family

[mywayhighway]

Or any of their friends or families.
But I have 3 friends who’s businesses probably won’t survive, another who’s husband has just been made redundant, possibly more to follow, a friend who’s teen has sunk into depression. All the dc have missed out educationally and no prospect of getting back to school anytime soon. That’s just my selfish perspective. There’s loads worse off as a consequence of the impact of lockdown and the slow easing out.
Feeling so frustrated with this now. We’re all suffering and I’m not quite sure if the benefits are going to outweigh the losses long term.

There’s loads worse off as a consequence of the impact of lockdown and the slow easing out.

Yes, the cure is going to be far worse than the disease. Look at the figures yesterday about the economy shrinking by 20% - we're heading into an unprecedented recession (bordering on a depression) that will make the recession of 2008 look like a walk in the park by comparison. This lockdown needs to end and we need to get back to work. The two metre social distancing thing is a load of crap as well.

I didn't know anyone personally who had had it, but found out last weekend that someone in my son's athletics club had it (she is a nurse, and is now fully recovered).

My son's coach is also medical staff and she knows three people (all medical) who have died

There was always going to be a pandemic. If the economy is so fragile that it cant survive an inevitable event, then it was never fit for purpose.

I think ''the economy'' will rebuild because thats how capitalism works. It wont be the same as it is now and there will be casualties.
Being pissed off because you are one of the economic casualties is immensely hypocritical if your attitude to the Covid casualties is 'oh well you would have died soon anyway''.

The two metre social distancing thing is a load of crap as well.

And you know so much better than experts in the field? Right.

Give your head a wobble.

My exes father died of it and my next door neighbour had it as well as everyone on the ward where she works.

It could be argued that you don't know anyone who has been affected by Covid BECAUSE of the lockdown... So despite the economic outcome, it has prevented those you know becoming ill.

Two of my friends have died and they were both in theirs 40s with no health issues. 7 at my husbands work but all recovered. 2 at my work who were in hospital but all recovered, all under 50. 6 of them with health issues. All of them lived in various areas of the UK. You're very lucky not to have lost anyone to this virus, you're post is very upsetting. I'm sorry for all affected financially throughout this to of course , all of it is terrible but not everyone who died was at the end of a long life with health problems. Just because you don't know anyone who has died or become ill doesn't mean it's all a lie. I now have to get ready for an online funeral as I can't even go and say goodbye to one of my friends. Have a wonderful day won't you.

*And you know so much better than experts in the field? Right.

Give your head a wobble.*

Educate yourself, why don't you? Even the WHO don't support it - did you know that? www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52522460

I didn't know anyone until recently. One family member in London had it and it quickly spread to others in the family.

One person was hospitalised and was told that they were unlikely to survive it because they were in such a bad way, but luckily they came through it thanks to excellent NHS care and luck.

mywayhighway You said "I controversially think that the majority of people who have died we’re already past their life expectancy and had lived a full life"

You may be able to discard other people's loved ones casually, but I'd save your life if I could even though I think you're a sorry excuse for a human being.

"The two metre social distancing thing is a load of crap as well." or so it says on the anti-vax youtube channels where you seem to be getting your information from.

@mywayhighway

Unlikely in my particular demograph

Well tell that to Covid! I narrowly avoided hospital but that was only because I was very ill over the Easter peak and there was no room for me in the three local hospitals. No ambulance free either. Nearly 3 months on, I'm still unwell. I'm now having tests on my heart and lungs to check for permanent damage. I probably should've had oxygen but I was just ill at the wrong time. Really hoping we don't have another peak because that was the reality of the NHS being overwhelmed just that one weekend.

I am healthy, no health issues, no medications, slim and active. I rarely even got colds before this! My ds is 5yo and he had it quite badly too. Tall, strong lad, super healthy with no health conditions. He is still wheezy after 7 weeks. We have an appointment with the doctor next week as he needs a lung check and probably an inhaler, potentially short-term but possibly long-term, or even for life. No previous issues with asthma, no history of asthma in the family.

My friend still hasn't regained her sense of smell after two months. My other friend can't remember dates or phone numbers at the moment. This thing is affecting people neurologically too, we have no idea if this is permanent or not yet.

We don't fit into those death figures, very fortunately, but we are the unaccounted for walking wounded. Between every case number, hospital admission and death number, they are the Inbetweeners who are really quite ill. There is no treatment and no cure.

Educate yourself properly before you make sweeping assumptions.

I know a few people who've had it, including a 23 year old who spent 3 weeks in hospital.

I know more people who are suffering financially, loads of redundancies and a small business owner who is unlikely to be able to afford to re-open.

@mywayhighway

The alternative (without lockdown) would have been something like '20 of my friends have died, and so their businesses have had to shut down too' Unlikely in my particular demograph.

Oh that's all right then - I'll just tell that to my parents .. oh wait, I can't because they're dead.

You sound deeply unpleasant OP

It is very saddening to read of all the people on here who have known someone to have died however, it is also telling that you all report of having known many others who 'have' had it, so, it does seem to support the theory that for the many who contract it, only a small proportion will tragically lose their life. I'm not denying that for some the illness can be horrible and linger for months but it hasn't been life threatening to many of them. I think the tragedy of losing someone to this illness is made worse by the fact that they have been denied the opportunity to see that person in the last few weeks of life and are having to help each other grieve via phone and skype etc making the percieved threat of the virus greater.

I totally agree OP.

People are SO risk adverse about this virus but didn't even realise the 2017 flu season caused 58000 excess deaths.

The virus is mainly in hospitals and care home. Currently 0.06% of the population have it, and yet we have thrown our children and livelihoods under the bus for it.

It fascinates me how very quickly people have lost their ability to think critically and fall for the MSM narrative.

I am also someone who is 'vulnerabme' as I'm type 1 diabetic.

No one knows if lockdown stopped anything, it looks like the virus comes as a tidal wave and burns out as quickly as it arrives as it has the same pattern in countries whether they locked down or not.

I'm a nurse and quite a few of my colleagues have had covid. There has been a couple of members of staff at my hospital died and a couple of friends relatives have died.

However it's not wrong to feel the affects of lockdown and wanting it to be over. I'm sick of not being able to see my mam and my daughter not being able to play/cuddle and be in close proximity of any extended family xx

It's also important to note that very few people have died of covid-19 alone, but because it's on the death certificate as possibly infected, it's counted in the deaths.

These 'I don't know anyone who died therefore lockdown was pointless' threads are crass and insensitive in the extreme. Look at all the people here who have lost loved ones, OP - how is it helpful to them for you to be announcing you don't know anyone? How does it help anyone at all?

You might have known a whole load more if lockdown hadn't happened. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be coming out of it, which we are. The government haven't handled this well but they are doomed if they do, doomed if they don't.

So insensitive to be referring to people who died as those who only had months left anyway. So no loss then obviously. Expendable. And that applies to younger people with underlying conditions too, according to this narrative, despite the fact that many of them had years and years left before Covid hit.

Please think again about posting your experience as if it should dictate policy whole sticking the knife into lots of already hurting people.

to those who have lost loved ones.

@Petal247
Two of my friends have died and they were both in theirs 40s with no health issues
You have been incredibly unfortunate. Just under 500 have died under age 45 and about 40 of these had no underlying health conditions.

Well maybe you're just lucky? I know three people that have recovered from it - one of those however was so ill it will affect him for the rest of his life. He was extremely healthy with no underlying conditions.
Two relatives have died and at least three friends have died.
Too many people gone far too soon.

The only logic for ending lockdown appears to be to stop the deeply offensive naval gazing of some people bemoaning their individual lot.

Yes, many of those dying were/are at the end of their lives. Doesn't make it acceptable their end was hastened by covid, or that they died alone, without family, against their wishes. Massive difference between a 'good death' of planned End of Life Care, long life celebrated/appropriately mourned in full, and a rushed, isolated death mourned without physical touch.

Don't get me started about health inequalities for BAME & younger victims.

Don't get me started on the 'nhs has stopped for everything except covid'. No, it has not. It has prioritised, like it always has to, covid is at the top at the moment. Pretty sure the hip fractures, falls, dementia, copd, heart failure, acute kidney injuries & urine retention etc I've been involved with this week (for - ve patients) haven't been turned away.

Yes, businesses will be affected, we know that. Yes, schools will be affected, yes, MH will be affected, we know that.

You know what? Getting bit tired of the moaning now.

Be the change you want to see.

Support your local small businesses. Shop local, look on Facebook for whose open, offering services in different ways. Use them.

Use Facebook to see who needs help in your community, and do it. If it's you that needs help, ask for it.

Take this time as opportunity to have fun with kids. They will learn lots besides school work. Look at the thread about 'who has saved lockdown' for fab links on science learning, art, music, stories. Educate yourselves and kids. Don't moan about schools. Teachers are doing their best with hands tied.

Reach out to use mh services offered. All mh NHS trusts have helplines listed online. Samaritans too, lots of charities & local groups. Better still, sign up to volunteer. I do and get more back than I give. Massive privilege to see someone else's life, walk in someone's shoes.

People are angry and frustrated because they feel out of control. So take control, positively.

Be the change you want to see.

**That message has been lost because it has been debunked.

How on earth has it been debunked that most people have it mildly?

[quote southeastdweller]*And you know so much better than experts in the field? Right.

Give your head a wobble.*

Educate yourself, why don't you? Even the WHO don't support it - did you know that? www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52522460[/quote]
I know the science says 2 metres is twice as safe as one metre. Did you know that? Educate yourself.

WHO says 1 m but 2m is even safer. Why wouldn't you want to be even safer, I wonder?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/01/risk-of-infection-could-double-if-2-metre-rule-reduced-study-finds