Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 10

[BigChocFrenzy]

Welcome to thread 10 of the daily updates.

Resource links:

Worldometer UK page
Financial Times Daily updates and graphs
HSJ Coronavirus updates
Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre
NHS England stats, including breakdown by Hospital Trust
Covidly.com to filter graphs using selected data filters
ONS statistics for CV related deaths outside hospitals, released weekly each Tuesday

We welcome factual, data driven, and civil discussions from all contributors 💐

Been lurking since the beginning, thank you for all the balanced information. Has anyone seen the news. The government s big plan for schools is out. A year long plan of hiring private tutors to help in schools with catching up on what has been lost.

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jun/17/government-to-fund-private-tutors-for-english-schools

Thanks @BigChocFrenzy for that South Korea article, it's important if sobering reading.

Does anyone know why meat processing plants in particular are prone to outbreaks?

Been lurking since the beginning, thank you for all the balanced information. Has anyone seen the news. The government s big plan for schools is out. A year long plan of hiring private tutors to help in schools with catching up on what has been lost.

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jun/17/government-to-fund-private-tutors-for-english-schools

I think this is silly - they would be better off putting the school back for a full year - pupils that SHOULD start primary now in their first year should beheld back and not start school till they are 6 - this should be the new 'normal'

That's exactly the conversation I had with a friend this morning. It's obviously not the road they are going down though.

@BBCONEANDTWO

it’s an interesting idea but I’m not sure it’s something you can just do in the space of a few months. Where do all the children who were supposed to start school go? There aren’t enough nursery places to keep them where they are and how is it funded?

But when can we go back to our officesssssssss????

Gosh never I hope! I feel like we’ve found a better way but recognise not everyone agrees. But any companies struggling now certainly know if they can manage without the expense of a physical office.

@Sunshinegirl82

Most schools worldwide don't start till children are 6. All these extra tutors (if they use that model) have to be funded in any case.

Maybe it's time to change the start of education for kids. Regarding nurseries - try and open more - or maybe have childminders. Maybe we have to do something drastic to make this work.

The Tory Government values Teachers at £50 an hour for lesson preparation time
www.thetutortrust.org/Pages/FAQs/Category/application-faqs

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£5 an hour
and
£12 an hour for face to face teaching

comparable with a Lidl warehouse

@BBCONEANDTWO It’s not workable. Nobody leaves school this year so what happens to all the unis? No new students and in 3 years no graduates? What do the staff do this year? Plenty of kids will have done well in their exams based on predicted grades and not want to repeat. Nurseries don’t have room or staff to suddenly expand by an extra year group. Plenty of schools have managed remote teaching very well and the children don’t need to catch up (private schools in particular). And in that group people don’t want to pay an extra year’s school fees I bet! The 11+ exam has been taken back in October and graded and pupils awarded secondary places at grammars - would they scrap that and do the massive process all over again? Would all the Reception teachers be made redundant? Being realistic, kids have missed a term’s work at most. It’s not insurmountable.

I’m not against a wholesale rethink of how we approach education necessarily but I’m not sure it’s something we should cook up in 12 weeks as a response to (hopefully temporary) global emergency.

Shifting to something like the Scandinavian model will take years. There is no way most early years providers could just absorb a whole additional year’s worth of children at the drop of a hat.

@Saladmakesmesad - hopefully they will catch up - but everyone is complaining that kids have not been educated. Some vulnerable kids haven't even done any online work or homework - so once again they will be disadvantaged. I'm thinking that the Uk start kids too early generally. I remember mine started at 4.5 years and it was much too young IMO.

So how does that work when £5ph for preparation time isn't even minimum wage?

I realise education's very much in the rubbish bin when it comes to government priorities, but isn't that taking it a bit far?

@BBCONEANDTWO I actually 100% agree with you that they start far too young. Don’t we have the earliest start age in Europe? Totally with you on that. I just think we can’t change the entire system between now and September so it’s not the solution.

Why does The Tutor Trust equate to the government, can someone explain please?

@Saladmakesmesad - I know there's not enough time - but going forward maybe it's something we really should be thinking about. I am concerned that schools won't open properly in September and all these tutors - I don't know how it's going to work.

Wouldn't it be better (if they have the extra tutors) to take over a Church hall/public buildings during the week and the tutors could help out with the excess. I understand there is going to have to be a lot of planning but to only have kids going in 2 days a week and then being homeschooled seems unreasonable.

@BigChocFrenzy This is not data backed but poor planning by government may not be the only issue with children returning to schools. Several friends working in education, including one in senior management, tell me they are having major problems with any planning as the unions are attempting to thwart any steps towards opening

as the unions are attempting to thwart any steps towards opening

What are they actually doing?

@ohthegoats
It's only what I have heard from these friends but they mentioned union reps instructing staff not to attend meetings, asking for a week notice of any guidance/info before they would discuss it (which is a problem as the guidance changes so fast as someone else mentioned upthread) and demands which seemed to them to be unfulfillable. All of them are keen to work towards reopening but were clearly frustrated by this

Unions are also working towards reopening - they've suggested a 5 point plan to get through it.

Unfortunately, what the government wants is for schools to just open and teachers to just get on with it. We don't know that schools are safe for school staff. We know they are probably very low risk for children, but we don't fully understand the transmission stuff. I'm glad unions are standing up for staff.

Heads should have been supporting safe opening for staff.

I don't know any schools that haven't opened in some form according to the guidance. It has been LAs that have stopped schools opening due to R rates in specific areas.

From Teacher Tapp

Two members of my team have boys in y12.

One boy attends a very good independent; the other goes to the local comp.

One boy has to log on for headmaster's address at 8.30, in uniform. All lessons delivered on zoom until 4pm. PE still happening on zoom. Exams arranged for late August so there are reasonable predicted grades for uni applications.

One boy gets three half days of lessons. Morning lessons have fizzled out, two thirds of the boys have stopped bothering at all. Teachers not in regular contact with parents. School doesn't have clear guidance re September.

Both schools would say they are following government guidelines.

Please can we not turn this otherwise informative and balanced thread into yet another one moaning about schools.

I was also interested in why meat packing plao

Sorry, meat packing plants seem to be prone to outbreaks.