If schools aren’t back to normal sept?

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If schools aren’t back to normal September and you are back to work what are you planning to do? Also do you think the key worker provision will stay for September or do you think it will only available to the summer holidays?

I am a solicitor @FrippEnos.

fripp maybe she’s head of her group and a partner in a law firm.
That pretty much sums up my DH.
He’s working from home and extremely busy.
However, the firm had had to furlough all support staff and place all lawyers on 4 days.
They can’t carry on like this and survive.

Or maybe she’s legal counsel in a company.

Why are you trying to catch people out?

I will manage as my children are 10 and 13 and I work 21 hours a week in professional services for a university. I am very unlikely to have to go back to the office and even if I do the children could be left at home although it would be very unsatisfactory. I know how fortunate I am to be in this position.

HelloMissus

she is saying on one thread that they are working pretty much normally from home yet they will be demanding everyone in from work from September.

It doesn't make sense

Fripp it does make sense!

Make life as difficult as possible and people leave company.

Its not about how successful people are working from home.

Its about getting rid of people without havering to pay redundancy payments.

*having

fripp if she’s the in house lawyer at a creative business it makes perfect sense.
She can probably work from home. But the staff, perhaps not.

My legal affairs person can work at home for the rest of his life. I don’t mind. But I need my other staff in.

Hadenoughfornow

My point is that if they can work from home why not let them?

HelloMissus

So you need some but not all.

I doubt that frenchseal's company is any different.

Fripp I agree. I sympathise with businesses and can understand the pressures they are under but flexibility now will benefit them long term. It's sad that so many companies fail to realise that.

I’ll have to fold my business and go back to being a SAHM. Not the end of the world but I worked so hard to build it up after years out having children, and being a SAHM caused me severe mental health issues.
Hopefully will find ways to manage my mental health. At least I have time to prepare I guess.

fripp I run a TV and film production company.
Our legal affairs department can work from home.
And some of the development team. Although it’s really not ideal.
But when filming is back up and running, I’m going to need some people in the office/on set/innthe studio etc

I shall have to resign. I can't work around it. We have both already had to cut our hours to make keyworker provision work. In September DD will be in yr6 and so need to be in her proper class not keyworker group. If now keyworkers are still only part-time I will have to give up work no other options.
That said I think the government have it in mind to allow full classes before the end of this term.

I’m a full time working single mum with no backup. My 12yo ds will have to work on his own for the mornings, I’ll nip home at lunch, provide food, company and encouragement, and go back to work for the afternoon if necessary.

I have the luxury of being able to work from home, due to my work I’m also able to work at anytime of day (apart from meetings) due to the nature of my work, I will have to run the odd face to face conference, but that is typically only 6-8 times a year. A lot of my colleagues in different roles are unable to work from home. A lot of people are also forgetting that more home working means more employment for those on low wages, office cleaners, maintenance etc.

@SimonJT

I have the luxury of being able to work from home, due to my work I’m also able to work at anytime of day (apart from meetings) due to the nature of my work, I will have to run the odd face to face conference, but that is typically only 6-8 times a year. A lot of my colleagues in different roles are unable to work from home. A lot of people are also forgetting that more home working means more employment for those on low wages, office cleaners, maintenance etc.

Am I being dense? How does people working from home mean more employment for cleaners and maintenance? How do closed offices take more cleaning that open ones? Surely a one off week deep clean when the closed and before they reopen is all?

So we're about to announce that from September 1st, all staff will be required to work their normal contracted hours and any extra as required by the needs of the business. We'll also no longer be allowing any staff to work from home.

If you are in house counsel, you will presumably be aware of the major potential exposure you're giving yourself to disability discrimination and inequality claims?

If social distancing remains to any meaningful extent, your staff won't be 'bouncing ideas off one another' in person anyway, not if they have to be 2m apart with a tight limit on numbers per room.

I can fully sympathise with requiring people to take advantage of any available childcare and ensure that during their paid hours they are not multitasking with children, especially during work hours. One of my team members is doing this, despite having a partner with a similar job but who apparently can't manage the children properly - her output has dropped massively, and it's not fair that we are essentially subsiding her DH's employer.

However we also have a great employee whose wife is recovering from cancer treatment. Would you tell someone in that position (or, for example, a BAME employee with diabetes and therefore a significantly elevated risk profile) that they cannot work from a remote location, because you can't trust them not to have children around?

We’ll pay for childcare for our YR1 DD - she is at the childminder now so it would just continue with them doing drop/pick at the school for whatever random times we get given

@Duckfinger I’m mean more unemployment 🤦🏽

I’m tired, so I’m going to blame it on that!

I will have to resign, DD is Y1 so she needs full supervision if she isn't in school. I wasn't enjoying my job before lockdown so it wouldn't be a bad outcome for me - DH has recently been promoted so financially we wouldn't be worse off.

[quote SimonJT]@Duckfinger I’m mean more unemployment 🤦🏽

I’m tired, so I’m going to blame it on that![/quote]
No worries. I work in a school we seem to do everything differently to the real world so thought I'd missed something.

@pitterpatterrain

We’ll pay for childcare for our YR1 DD - she is at the childminder now so it would just continue with them doing drop/pick at the school for whatever random times we get given

This wouldn't be allowed at our school, children can only attend one setting. So childminder or school.

I'll have to resign when schools go back. The hub has refused to take my 2 children. I'm a key worker but my council is insisting both parents need to be key workers.
I've worked so hard for my position. Offered flexibility at every turn but that means nothing.

Well we know the follow the science bit is a load of bollocks.

It's nothing to do with companies not realising the benefits of flexibility. Not industries cannot be done remotely. If they could they wouldn't be furloughed.

If suppliers are open 9-5, how does working 6-10 help the company? If something needed posting by 11 am how does it help if the Flexi staff start at 4 pm?

Many who have been wfh knew that their contracts said about working, not childcare. Some companies have been lenient because of the circumstances. Financially this cannot continue long term. Well, it could but it would go broke.

Lack of school place won't be the problem of your work, same with before. Anything beyond the minimal legal rights is down to them in terms of leniency.

Childminders will be open, nannies, au pairs, your own little bubbles etc.

You can request a reasonable adjustment and if it's in the interests of the company it's usually granted. For childcare purposes, how does this benefit them?

What will I be doing?
I know mine won't be starting in September. Or if he is it would be part-time education and disruptive. Realistically he would start in January at the earliest - large school already wondering how they are going to manage induction days with the new year 7, whilst gcse years maintain some of their parttime education.

I'm more worried about how my child is going to get through 2 years of course work when hours will be part-time for months and it will be disruptive because every time someone has a cough and temp it will be closed, and of course if your kid is in that class, that's a week or 2 off.

I will just do what I have always done. Just get on with it and find something that works for us. I have quit jobs in the past. Done agency, temp, set up my own business etc.