Track and Trace

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So once T&T is up and running and you get a notification that you have been in close contact with someone with CV19. You could be bleeped all the time especially if you are meeting your family which I believe is one of the highest risks and one of them has it Passing someone within 2 metres in a supermarket has little risk.

If for example its the winter and you are due to go on holiday, get married, go to a funeral etc and you are told to isolate then why would some people even get the app if they thought they would be stopped from doing something pre booked/arranged.

I see the younger people even less likely to have the track and trace because even if they had it they are likely to have symptons.

Or do we think its likely that its only with severe cases with a huge viral load given to you that will result in you being asked to self isolate.

I work at home most of the time anyway so this wouldnt be a big issue for me (unless I was about to go on holiday - I suspect your travel insurance would not cover you for this scenario) but for others I can envisage huge concerns going forward.

Because it's the best we have got?

Really?

God we are fucked as an unthinking country. The implications of blindly downloading are potentially far worse than covid-19.

@Theworldisfullofgs She can say it but the contact tracers will not take it as gospel.

However I have to say, this thread and others like it have utterly shocked me with the level of mistrust and attribution of malice shown towards fellow citizens. It’s actually really sad. If this is how the British people see the community around them, I can sort of understand why the Coronavirus might feel like the least of your problems.

Can someone just tell me
Is it only if someone has had a positive test that their contacts will be notified
Or can anyone just report that they have symptoms and then contact notified

but to wilfully not participate in T&T is hypocritical and evil in my opinion.

Lol. I won't be in close contact with anyone I don't know well so if I become unwell I'll contact them myself, no need for the app which I will definitely not be downloading.

but to wilfully not participate in T&T is hypocritical and evil in my opinion.

Sanctamonious bollocks.

If you are on the bread line and have kids to feed, and have the prospect of not having enough income to feed your kids / keep a roof over your head if you are forced to isolate for 2 weeks on statutory sick pay (or worse if you are on zero hours contract or self employed), then I can see the decision not to take part as about self preservation or caring about immediate family.

That's not evil and anyone who thinks it is, needs to have a long hard think about why people won't do track and trace.

I would download if the Labour party had invented it and that's saying something
Amazed how people know all about this app and its technical abilities
As for personal data if you want to avoid that being used give up on technology now

Lol. I won't be in close contact with anyone I don't know well so if I become unwell I'll contact them myself, no need for the app which I will definitely not be downloading.

Quite.

If I pick it up somewhere like the supermarket, then it's not going to be traceable back to an individual.

Track and trace is only really useful if you have high levels of contact with people you are not friends with but who you can identify.

Cos the app won't work.

God we are fucked as an unthinking country. The implications of blindly downloading are potentially far worse than covid-19

Yet you’ll download face book or amazon apps?

Plaster personal pictures everywhere? But that’s ok because it’s about you?

Giving more of your personal data to a company run by someone who has already used data to do great harm to our society isn't doing the right thing, however much it might feel like it. If the app were actually going to work it would arguably be a more difficult decision, but it's not. I see why people want to believe in it though.

Amazed how people know all about this app and its technical abilities
As for personal data if you want to avoid that being used give up on technology now

Maybe people do have knowledge of this. And the calibre of the people trying to write the damn thing. Just y'know, saying.

@Itsjustmee I believe the UK one is only in the case of a positive test. In NZ, we also report probable cases (ones where all the symptoms are present and they have close contact with a known case) but a positive test has not been returned. In those cases, their close contacts would be required to isolate too if the probable case was considered active.

Yet you’ll download face book or amazon apps?

Plaster personal pictures everywhere? But that’s ok because it’s about you?

I genuinely don't do any of the above actually.

No Facebook. No additional apps on my phone. And I don't put my photo anywhere and decline consent for my photo to be used.

How is this “getting back to normal”? People still can’t plan anything in case they get “the call” and have to immediately isolate for 2 weeks. So no holidays or days out. Presumably T&T is here until there are zero cases worldwide?

It seems this is being rolled out with a “this will start to get us back to normal” in the hope that people will assume it’s a quicker fix and comply better. Getting back to normal could take years, that’s what Whitty said, right?

Yeah, odd how people seem to think but you'll have amazon apps on your phone though is a gotcha. Will I now?!

@RedToothBrush how dare you lecture me on how hard this is for someone isolating with no income!

I've been unable to work for 8 weeks. I'm self employed and got zero help. It's been unimaginably difficult.

I'm able to return next week.

If I'm told to isolate again due to T&T I will. I will use food banks and I will make it work.

It's not sanctimonious bollocks. You have no right to judge those of us receiving no help and assume that we don't isolate as needed. Just because it's hard doesn't mean some of us don't do it.

Can't you see that if more people actually do it, less people like me would be put in this position.

I'm leaving this thread now, it's a pit of selfish hypocritical people who have more interest in political point scoring than anything else and won't use the system because it's imperfect despite the fact that it's our only hope.

Remember my rantings when CV touches your life.

*@Itsjustmee"

"Is it only if someone has had a positive test that their contacts will be notified"
Yes. If someone has symptoms they will be tested and, only if they test positive, will people they have been in contact with for more than 15 minutes be contacted by NHS England and asked to isolate.

antisocial my sister has form for making malicious allegations. Why would this be any different?

I'm leaving this thread now, it's a pit of selfish hypocritical people who have more interest in political point scoring than anything else and won't use the system because it's imperfect despite the fact that it's our only hope.

It's not our only hope. Things are even worse than that, because it would have to have some chance of working properly to qualify as an actual hope.

I think there’s a difference between those who say they won’t participate for financial concerns and those who won’t for purely political reasons.

Privacy Matters @privacymatters
🙇‍♂️ here’s the @NHSEngland Test and Trace privacy notice. “This privacy notice explains what personal identifiable information is collected by this service” PII 🤦‍♂️🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

“the NHS Test and Trace needs to collect personal identifiable information.”

The information collected on people with coronavirus or those with symptoms includes their:

full name
date of birth
home postcode and house number
telephone number
email address

The information collected on the contacts of people with coronavirus includes, where available, their:

full name
home postcode and house number
telephone number
email address

^“The personal identifiable information collected by the NHS Test and Trace is protected in several ways.”

But I see from here that testing for coronavirus will take place so that would safeguard against this?

I think there’s a difference between those who say they won’t participate for financial concerns and those who won’t for purely political reasons.

You make it sound like there is a real difference.

In reality there isn't.

Things are even worse than that, because it would have to have some chance of working properly to qualify as an actual hope.

Quite.

And in the meantime our data is sold without our consent which could have long term implications for our health in various other ways, which will be particularly damaging to those who are most vulnerable.

If you can only see covid-19, then you are blind to the bigger long term picture.

There are some sanctimonious feckers on this thread.
It’s too little too late to introduce this and I do not think the intentions behind this are for the greater good. There was a working tracing model available and the government chose not to use it, two months ago.

PHE do not have to store our data for 20 years.