Track and Trace

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So once T&T is up and running and you get a notification that you have been in close contact with someone with CV19. You could be bleeped all the time especially if you are meeting your family which I believe is one of the highest risks and one of them has it Passing someone within 2 metres in a supermarket has little risk.

If for example its the winter and you are due to go on holiday, get married, go to a funeral etc and you are told to isolate then why would some people even get the app if they thought they would be stopped from doing something pre booked/arranged.

I see the younger people even less likely to have the track and trace because even if they had it they are likely to have symptons.

Or do we think its likely that its only with severe cases with a huge viral load given to you that will result in you being asked to self isolate.

I work at home most of the time anyway so this wouldnt be a big issue for me (unless I was about to go on holiday - I suspect your travel insurance would not cover you for this scenario) but for others I can envisage huge concerns going forward.

They are getting there shit together by doing this. Other countries have done it to great success but because of Tories, people won’t participate? Really? I despair of the left, I really do. It’s not even them doing this, you know.

@antisocialdistance That's really encouraging

Should also add, in many cases the person contacted will already be well aware that they have probably been exposed and the contact tracing is largely about establishing that they have all the right information about what they need to do and can be contacted easily in the case that they too become symptomatic and need to report their recent close contacts.

I have to say I find it hard to want to cooperate with a government that has shown such distain for everyone, twisting the rules to suit themselves

And I find it harder now to trust that they will treat any data fairly and safely

And I really don't see why a 20 something with financial difficulties would self isolate

And that's despite knowing that this is the only possible way we can get back to something like normality , save lives, protect the NHS and recover the economy

They have demonstrated total selfishness and yet the only solution to the crisis is in society working together

It gives me great fear for my vulnerable relatives

Barnabyboyo so agree with your post it is unbelievable that people could be so childish fortunately I have only heard this view on MN not in real life

if you get phoned as a contact, you won't be told the infected person, because the caller won't know.

I don't think that's right^. The infected person will have given names (if known) & details of who they were in contact with. It's not like govt has a central database of everyones' faces, numbers, addresses or can rely on CCTV.

I know 'middle aged guy in yellow coat' (magiyc) on train. I've seen him for yrs but never exchanged names. I sat and talked to him on train yesterday travelling home & later I felt rough... and then I tested positive. You're gonna have to talk to me for a while to remember I sat with magiyc... and then I don't have a clue how to contact him, though I suppose he must live in my town since we use same train stop (but he could live in a village & drive in).

Or Julie at work. She works on reception & she helped me with photocopying yesterday. I don't know her surname and certainly don't know her job title or number, but maybe if you phone x department number you can track her down.

Julie won't know my name and maybe her name is really Shirley. You're gonna have to play detective to track her down and that means knowing exactly when and how we interacted so you can keep asking right questions to track down the right Julie/Shirley.

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If someone who has access to as much information as the government and SAGE has and thinks that it is ok to swan across the country and visit his elderly parents whilst sick with this disease, it suggests to me that it isn't the crisis it's made out to be.

He didn't visit his parents

If you're going to keep going on about DC & using it as an excuse to what the fuck your like at least get your facts right

Secondly 50,000 excess deaths in the uk Constitutes a crisis to me. How many more deaths do you need to think prevention is a good idea?

Jesus wept.

It is a crisis, the action is necessary, totally agree

Yet, if you were about to lose income and possibly the roof over your head, you have now been given the perfect excuse to put your family before society

That's what makes me so angry and upset

People are not going to be told to isolate because they passed someone in Lidl who later tested positive.

(This is c&p sorry, but it’s really clear I think)

“ Once you test positive you will receive a text or email alert from NHS Test and Trace within 24 hours.

This will provide instructions of how to share details of the people you have been in close, recent contact with. This includes your family or other people you live with, as well as people you have been in direct contact with, or within 2 metres of, for more than 15 minutes.

The information shared will also need to include places you have recently visited and will be handed over via a secure website.

... to identify individuals you have had close contact with and alert those most at risk of having the virus that they need to self-isolate.“

It obviously won’t be possible to identify everyone who may have had contact (bloke in the yellow coat etc) but since transmission is primarily through close prolonged contact in enclosed areas it will be possible to identify the ones most at risk.

I’m dubious about the app (for lots of reasons from practicality to data protection), but not this.

I'm afraid I have no intention of downloading the app. The government has lost all credibility for me, so I shall be making my own decisions and following my own instincts as to the best thing to do.

I would nit be handing verbanyines personal data to a third party without checking with them first.

The reason therebare so many negative posts about this is, I think, a direct result of the collapse in trust in the government in recent days.

Had this measure rolled out last week, or had #CumGate been handled differently, then I think the welcome would have been totally different.

I will download when available this is not political it's about making a safer place to live for everybody
I care about my family and anyone they may come into contact with
I suppose some dont care and perhaps like living like this

@attackedbycritters I don't blame you for being angry and upset. But unless you honestly dont think T&T will help drive down transmission it's such a shame that you and others are refusing to participate based on the irresponsible behaviour of DC.

This will help the people you love, and every single person in the UK get their lives back.

By refusing to participate you're making people suffer for longer, and not helping reduce the infection or death rate. That's a horrific way to express your anger towards the government.

It now feels like people want to prolong the misery in order to teach the government a lesson. It's so sad that people will put this ahead of doing everything they can to help beat the virus.

I value my clear conscience. I'm not going to be like DC, I'll be doing the right thing and cooperating fully with T&T.

You won’t have to self isolate if you were in a meeting with someone who tested positive unless you were within 2m and for more than 15m. So that’s on your employer too, to ensure that SD still takes place. You won’t know whether you have passed on/contracted from man in yellow coat on train as you won’t have each other’s contacts. If the app is rolled out later down the line then maybe, but not now.

Issues noted re medical staff (when not in PPE). Also in schools - if a child has to self/isolate then their family doesn’t have to (unless they show symptoms) but someone will still have to look after them

Case numbers are too high in the community here for this to be workable. There's just no comparison with New Zealand.

They found dozens of cases (both residents and staff, many asymptomatic) in one care home here in Carlisle in recent weeks through widespread testing. In Barrow and South Lakeland the infection rate is even higher than Carlisle.

We're months off this sort of track and trace system being effective here. We need local lockdown, the County Council to stop shirking responsibility regarding the wider opening of schools.

In reality however lockdown is effectively over where I live. So with further lifting of restrictions we'll all just have to get on with it. Make face coverings mandatory indoors if that would help.

People ought to be able to earn a living without the constant threat (which it would be here) of being told to self isolate despite no symptoms, no access to a test.

I just don't know how this will work in some cases. I'm and NHS clinician. I am now seeing patients face to face again, always longer than 15 mins, not always possible to be 2m apart. When back to running clinics properly I'll be seeing around 15 patients a week. If I, and colleagues, have to isolate for 14 days every time one of the patients I've seen tests positive there will be no staff left in the Trust! DH is also a teacher, so again lots of contact, in rwlaitybI bet it won't always be over 2m apart so he will be in the same position. It just sounds mad to me.

The app won't work. It's a white elephant and is being programmed by developers who are out of their depth.

Track and trace isn't mandatory. Therefore if you get someone who isn't arsed about the rest of the population or is on minimum wage and can't afford to go on statutory sick leave then it won't work. This is particularly bad if they work with vulnerable people - let's say for example - carers. If you have large groups of people living and socialising in close proximity who can't afford to go on statutory sick leave, you have a major problem on your hands. You will have a large outbreak that remains undetected for longer than you wish, and will pass outside that community if there are lots of asymptomatic carriers.

Track and trace needs to be supported by proper sick leave provision and needs to be mandatory.

I don't trust the Government. I don't trust their app. I've already had this god awful virus and I'm sick to the back teeth of it so The government were hearing about this virus for months before it reached us. All these systems could have been in place from the start but they were happy to treat it like flu and let it decimate the generation that voted them in!
I probably will download the app and go through the motions because it's my civic duty but questions need to be asked of this pathetic specimen of a government!

@peoplepleaser1 the government have not done the right thing by the people. They are angry and want to hit back, and with an election 4 years away there are limited ways of doing this. It may be wrong and childish, but it’s understandable.

Also if you work in a high contact level job you are more likely to end up being contacted. So we could end up with labour shortages if the prevelance of covid-19 is still too high in the community - especially if you are supposed to isolate before getting a test and until you get a test result and testing turnaround times are too long.

No one seems to have said much about how some people manage to get a test too. There's been huge problems with this, and home testing kits are problematic and are far more likely to produce false results as they are not done by a trained professional.

Did someone say its anonymous. I get a call saying someone was in contact with me but not who?
So my sister, eith whom I have a bad relationship and hardly ever see, can ring up and says she was with me and it's not true?

I probably will download the app and go through the motions because it's my civic duty but questions need to be asked of this pathetic specimen of a government!

Why?

Like seriously, why would you risk your personal data for something that won't work because the product is deeply flawed?

Why?

Because it's the best we have got?

It’s public Health England running this, not the Tories. Please remember this
If only that were strictly true.

PHE are getting ignored or fed lip service by government when it comes to practical application of their recommendations. Unfortunately we are not being led just by the science. This has been demonstrated beyond debate during the past week.

Did someone say its anonymous. I get a call saying someone was in contact with me but not who?
So my sister, eith whom I have a bad relationship and hardly ever see, can ring up and says she was with me and it's not true?

If it's anonymous and someone wishes to be malicious then yes that's always going to be a real danger.

@Lemons1571 I think it's understandable to be angry and want to lash out, but to wilfully not participate in T&T is hypocritical and evil in my opinion.

It will make other people suffer way way more than the government. It's incredibly unkind to prolong this suffering when there is a good enough way to make a real difference.

Shame on you all, I hope you can look others who are suffering in the eye and explain why you are deliberately prolonging their personal misery.