Track and Trace

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So once T&T is up and running and you get a notification that you have been in close contact with someone with CV19. You could be bleeped all the time especially if you are meeting your family which I believe is one of the highest risks and one of them has it Passing someone within 2 metres in a supermarket has little risk.

If for example its the winter and you are due to go on holiday, get married, go to a funeral etc and you are told to isolate then why would some people even get the app if they thought they would be stopped from doing something pre booked/arranged.

I see the younger people even less likely to have the track and trace because even if they had it they are likely to have symptons.

Or do we think its likely that its only with severe cases with a huge viral load given to you that will result in you being asked to self isolate.

I work at home most of the time anyway so this wouldnt be a big issue for me (unless I was about to go on holiday - I suspect your travel insurance would not cover you for this scenario) but for others I can envisage huge concerns going forward.

Also totally irrelevant and not the point but I kind of wish they’d given it a name that doesn’t sound like a Royal Mail parcel delivery service

If you drop the isolation of people with no symptoms why bother at all?

Anyone with symptoms is already suppose to isolate, no change.

The no symptoms is to catch the spreaders who display no or very limited symptoms

Just now on BBC there was a guy saying that there is a high potential for hacking and fraudulent use of the app or even being called by a human trickster.

Like with everything hi-tech, the idea may have been good to sell to the plebs but I can't see it being effective.

Isn't a common sense to isolate yourself if unwell, covid or not?
If someone is an asymptomatic carrier, we would never even find them.

Even 2m rule is no longer observed and there seem to be an opportunity increase in intentional malicious behaviour like spitting I am a are of 3 instances that happened locally yesterday to people I know

The whole Tracking site has crashed 🤪 within minutes of opening...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8364799/Matt-Hancock-LAUGHS-suggestion-rushed-contact-tracing-scheme.html

Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together 🤣

If you drop the isolation of people with no symptoms why bother at all?

They aren't going to be offered a test, you can't expect people to regularly take a fortnight off work when they feel well with no access to a test.

This is a system that could work with very low infection rates in the community, that isn't the case across swathes of the North of England.

Even 2m rule is no longer observed and there seem to be an opportunity increase in intentional malicious behaviour like spitting sad I am a are of 3 instances that happened locally yesterday to people I know

Sorry to hear that, unfortunately doesn't surprise me. Haven't been spat at but have had smoke intentionally exhaled in my face.

Hence my buying cotton masks, I get a bit panicky wearing them but am determined to get used to it. Have found some lovely ones from a Cumbrian supplier.

I know the science shows they offer more protection to others if you're asymptomatic but it's got to be better than nothing.

"Blind leading the Blind" is how The Sun (yeah, I know) sums up today's launch:
www.thesun.co.uk/news/11726771/coronavirus-test-and-trace-system-shambles/

How much of a narcissist
Indeed 😲
but is it just that🤔
Why was he so unable to back down, it would have been so simple to just hold his hands up and say sorry, I'm sure he's intelligent enough to know that he would score points in the minds of the British public had he done that.
Instead he twisted himself up like a pretzel constructing an elaborate cat's cradle of an explanation that fooled no one and yet for him that was a better option than doing the simple easy thing.
Why🤔what were the consequences that he was trying to avoid?

The whole Tracking site has crashed 🤪 within minutes of opening...

Hands up who is surprised at this?

apparently the test isn’t accurate if you have no symptoms.

As I think the civil liberties issues of it are worse than the risk of death I am hoping the whole thing won't work very well.

It's power over plebs (and no doubt cliquey business deals wrapped around it all).

I completely agree. They need to pay people to be at home, like they did during the main lockdown
Employers and employees cannot take the hit, especially after this lockdown.

The government need to facilitate people doing the right thing.

I work in a school, so will probably come into contact with staff/pupils, increasingly so when we get back to more numbers of students coming in.
I can't imagine the Trust who employs me being too thrilled with me (and other TAs/Teachers/staff) going off for 14 days, just in case I might develop the virus). Also, we're supposed to be assigned special bubbles of kids to work with - so if I go off and self isolate, another member of staff will have to take over my bubble - thereby possibly putting themselves at risk.
The more I think about this, the less I think it will work.
And it might not just be once I have to do this - it could be multiple times.

How can employers afford this? Who takes the financial hit here? Us, for doing our "civil duty"? Many people, loads of people, would like to do their civil duty, but simply won't be able to afford to.

I am concerned about how long they might keep personal data for

And the possibility of people being encouraged to just hand over personal information (theirs and the contacts') to sineine who just rings up and asks for it.

They could be anyone.

The defauit position should be that the person contacted takes a reference number and then rings back (free) to a published official and well publicised number.

I think this has been rolled out before it's fit for purpose.
Possibly to deflect from current news events.
But it has to be right in order to lock down hot spots.
If we widen contact as they propose to, they have to have this water tight. And it appears right now to be anything but.
People need assurance before they are happy to apply with this. We don't need to be ordered to do our duty, we need to be satisfied that we're being listened to and our concerns are real.
I'm sick of being talked at by the government. We've all made huge sacrifices already.

Spot on @SophieB100

AuntieS - yes for a start it is probably illegal to give out personal data if a track or trace person calls you as they are highly likely to be a fraudster. That is why companies have policies that if a random person rings in asking for personal data you don't just hand it over. There has to be proof they are who they say they are. As the consequence of telling these people even if genuine is the people you name might lose their job and have their career destroyed as they cannot work for 14 days I am not sure people should rush to give out confidential names and details of anyone they have been with close to for 15 minutes which presumably might be a carriage of tube passengers over the 35 minutes it takes from where I live to London a journey people do all the time for work.

@GoldenOmber

Not my fault the government has undermined its own public health message... if people don't support the Govt now, that blame lies squarely at Johnson's door, no one else's! least of all those members of the public who won't listen to his pleas.

He has lost any credibility he had, along with what little that idiot Hancock had, the support for Cummings is beyond a joke now, then they launched TnT too quickly as no app and looking at what happened today, no testing to ensure the website can handle traffic, these are basic web design criteria, he can't even get this right.

One might surmise he launched TnT today to divert from the cummings row?

Time and time again, he has just let us all down.

I’m not going to defend either Johnson or Cummings, they’re a pair of amoral sociopaths who do not care about most of us. But I’m not going to decide ahead of time that I won’t talk to contact tracers just because the Tories are fuckers. What kind of point would that be making? It won’t hurt Dominic Cummings, it might hurt other people, it might keep us all stuck in lockdown for longer, I don’t want that.

We launched test and trace today in Scotland too. Also no app.

Dido says track and trace won't be fully operational until end of June:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/contact-tracing-in-england-not-fully-operational-until-end-of-june

Upto 350,000 errors regarding testing reported April/May:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/coronavirus-testing-hit-struggle-match-results-with-nhs-records

Data will be stored for 20 years:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/nhs-will-keep-personal-data-of-people-with-coronavirus-for-20-years--uk-test-and-trace-programme

And people wonder why we have so many questions

The more I read about this system the more baffled I am, and also the more wary I become of it (security of data, use of it etc.).

I have tried to be open-minded, but in reality I feel unable to trust it. I am certainly not going to blindly download the app straight away. I will see how it goes first.

Punters are saying this has been rushed out prematurely to move the media on from the Dominic Cummings scandal. It's working, too.

Data will be stored for 20 years!!!!

But how will a contact tracer get in touch with you? Where do they get your contact details from? Is it reliant on the person reporting it to know how to contact each individual?