The science has left the building (4)

[SouthWestmom]

New thread inspired by Whitty and Valance exiting stage right today

Yes, Sabrina, I thought that was very amusing!

Cummings is such a complete bullshitter!

This is brilliant too - metro.co.uk/2020/05/26/barnard-castle-means-pathetic-excuse-durham-dialect-12757215/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Barnard Castle means ‘pathetic excuse’ in Durham dialect

So it seems he's only a superforecaster when he has the benfit of hindsight.

I can predict the weather, but only at the exact time it happens, and if i'm stood outside. Oh it also only works for the specific area where I happen to be, for example I couldn't tell you the weather in London when i'm in Durham.

I think the fact that BJ supposedly completely accepted DC’s account, if true gives an insight into the absolute hokum he has tried to spin to his wives/girlfriends/mistresses over the years.

@MrsFezziwig thanks for that, it is really interesting (I'm sad too!)

I wonder if this is why the NHS are testing everyone they suspect of having it, even if they say they have self-tested?

Maybe it's another way of getting herd immunity, people being told their tests are negative so they venture out, when in fact they are infected.
Scary thought.

Also, @whatnametopick, is there any way of putting on the test that your DH's swab was only from his nose and not his throat?

Sack Cummings petition now on over 700k !!!

@Doveofpiss no, there isn't. I'm sure a lot of people are doing it wrong, giving a lot of negative results

I wonder if whitty and valance were there because Boris was trying to get them to OK the 'bubble' idea. Would have nicely deflected from Cummings, but they wouldn't agree to it.

quiteathome here are the 2 blogs:

twitter.com/jwiechers/status/1264953956758884354?s=21

@effingterrified

Cummings' blog gets better - Gvernment admits that it was changed in the spring to make it look like he predicted Covid last year, but that's OK because there were links in it to an article that mentioned coronaviruses?

How stupid do they think we are?

Just listening to radio 2. Dr Sarah Jarvis has been very damning about the viral load from a long car journey

Anyone else find it unusual that they got an ambulance for a child being sick? Ok he was distressed and had a temperature. But surely that's normal when vomiting. And people were not getting ambulance support unless lips were blue.

@itsgettingweird yes I agree, the symptoms as described did not sound like they warranted a hospital stay, but there you go. If he had indeed driven to the hospital he would need to explain why at some point.

@itsgettingweird Yes. The Barnard eye test is so baffling it's being given loads of air time but I think the child's hospital admission via ambulance us really important. It's hard resources in the wrong area and symptomatic Mum accompanied him throughout. The family didn't go to Durham and stay isolated in any way, shaoe or form, or do paramedics and healthcare staff not count?

do paramedics and healthcare staff not count?

...or taxi drivers for that matter, since it was apparently only because there were no taxis that the ambulance was called.

I will also say, whilst I'm pleased for him and his wife that the little boy is ok, the reality is we were not meant to travel not to take up hospital beds in other parts of the country. They should have stayed at home like every other Joe Bloggs and their son should have been looked after in a London hospital, where they reside.

But I think there's something we aren't being told. And actually probably don't have to be told as it's none of our business. They talked about "right kind of childcare" and a child with a normal illness being blue lighted to hospital and spending the night.

The guys a weasel and has far too much control at the top - that's the one thing this has shown. And he needs to go.

I'm just conscious of a small child's privacy in all this.

Otherwise, I really don't understand why my husband and I cancelled our stay in a secluded cottage in Cornwall. We didn't have any covid symptoms but we were intelligent enough to understand that if we get ill, we'd have to go to a local hospital that wouldn't cope with helping the locals and the new arrivals capacity-wise.

Clearly we were mugs. Should have gone and enjoyed ourselves at Porthmeor Beach looking for bluebells in woods outside St Ives.

And even if mum wasn't symptomatic and had just eaten something that made her sick. He was symptomatic, and he has only been symptomatic for a week so she should have isolated for another 7 days.

When did the rules about parents accompanying children to hospital come about? Weren't there rules before that that stopped symptomatic or isolating parents being in hospital. That's how come that poor families has their 13yo son die alone.

@itsgettingweird I agree re the child's privacy in this, it makes me feel so sad for him.
However...I don't believe there is any treatment the child could have received in Durham that wasn't available in London.
Likewise with childcare, if it was sister/neices they should have travelled rather than the symptomatic parents. And in the event they needed no extra help (as far as we know). Its the moving just in case that I can't agree with, likewise with not addressing the 'security issues' via correct channels at his London residence like any other person would have to.
In addition an admission and an apology would have gone a long way. Just saying they panicked for their child and wanted to be near family but they can accept this was wrong, with back up from BoJo saying it's not acceptable but he feels he can't lose DC at this critical time would have gone a long way to heading this thing off at the pass, no need to detail his child's hospital admission and wee stops. As would answering the journalist's questions on this weeks ago. As would not writing about your family in The Spectator...

The thing that gets me about all this is

Even if you accept his story that he truly, hand on heart, feels he acted in the right way and within the guidance due to the pressures of covid and childcare.

Is someone who cannot follow to the letter the rules of the country at the time because he panicked really the right person to be senior advisor to the leader if the country.

He's either an arrogant elitist who doesn't think the rules apply to him or unable to make sensible decision in which case too weak for his role.

My local hospital is rated inadequate, as a type 1 diabetic I am 3.5 more times likely to die if I get the virus, using my judgement if I get ill I will get dh to drive me 53 miles to the next hospital rated good, where I will likely get better treatment and a better outcome. This is now our plan.

I don't get the announcements, on Sunday BJ confirmed the school openings, on Monday about markets and shops. I thought this was all due to be reviewed on Thursday? Has he brought that forward as a shield for Cummings? If so are the decisions sound?

He probably thought. They'll love me if I tell them they can visit Primark in the next few weeks.

He obviously thinks we're easily bought or distracted.