The science has left the building (4)

[SouthWestmom]

New thread inspired by Whitty and Valance exiting stage right today

Ok I am either being thick or this makes sense.

From bbc news about track and trace and the people they will contact

The contact must have taken place between two days before and up to seven days after symptoms appeared.

Surely you won't have been in contact with anyone for 7 days after you've developed symptoms? That's the 7 days you are at home.

One question regarding track and trace. How would you even know that the person calling is who they say they are. Anyone could ring, claim to be from track and trace and say you need to isolate for 14 days.

Can understand the anger towards boris and cummings, can understand not wanting to download the app, but the track and trace looks like mostly happenning without the app and some people on here are giving the impression that if they spend 15 minutes with someone that then tests positive they dont want a tracer to then be able to tell them that and ask them to isolate, therefore deliberately then going out and potentially infecting someone.
Whatever the rights or wrong of those in charge that seems a bit selfish to me.

Agree 100% @GrimmsFairytales There's already been scam texts/emails of that kind. I'm just going to treat anything like it as spam.

I wonder how easy it will be to persuade people to self isolate when they are on any type of insecure contract with no sick pay ?

Grimms, that's a very valid point. No doubt scammers will do their best to use this opportunity to their benefit somehow.

@GrimmsFairytales Do I live in a dictatorship. Yes and it's getting worse. They closed down parliament, they want to stop judicial review, they want political appointments to the judiciary, they now have powers because of covid to control our lives in various ways. Yes we live in a dictatorship and we walked into it.

I've read a bit more. You give details of people.

Only close contacts so high risk are contacted.

That's anyone who you have been within 1m of or close contact for over 15 minutes.

So really just family who you can tell yourself

Good back door Cummings question by Peston

Normally I’d be onboard and download the app but the attitude of Boris and DC and their shady not to mention shitty behaviour, I’m less inclined. Boris has completely fucked things up. Never have I wished I was in Germany or in fact mostly anywhere else. We’re an embarrassment! The public on the whole seem to have followed the rules. I would like to see Chris Whitty and Patrick Valance and hear some science. Not to hear from these lying sack of shits.

I'm confused. So will there be 2 types of lockdown: individual track and trace and then regional/local lockdown?

@Roussette

The thing is... we don't know if DC and wife actually had it.. they did not tests.
And.. according to her Spectator article, they were not both ill at the same time.
They looked after their child up in Durham. They could've done that in London.
He wanted a couple of weeks up on a country estate away from virus ridden London 'just in case'
THAT is what is so annoying to me.

Yes!!! It's the just in case and whilst symptomatic. It's completely illogical for that to be the approach for parents during a pandemic!!! Aaaaaargh!

Dad if I happen to spend 15 minutes with someone it'll be friend or family. I'll know they have it! and I don't agree people all should isolate. If they'd had proper testing from the start then people like me who struggled alone collapsed on the floor with children (because we aren't Cummings) would know if That was Covid it not.
It should be people who haven't had it. So track and Trace should go along with anyibody testing

And it's the fact it's the Just in case and not because there were exceptional circumstances that we are all annoyed about is what's deluding Boris.

I wonder how Jenny Harries feels about the fact he's basically alluding to her saying he was right and quoted why

They said if you’d been in contact with someone who was symptomatic you’d have to isolate. Not someone who’d tested positive. So do they call you back a couple of days later to tell you the results of the test? Or do we all isolate for 14 days because someone in the office had hayfever?

Ah, BBC reporting that differently now. Only get to track & trace if you test positive. That’s better.

No they only call you if the test is positive. You don't have to isolate if someone has symptoms, only of their test result comes back positive.

I wonder if they should have postponed this announcement until a time when the public will be more receptive and the message can be clearer. Boris and Cummings could not have undermined Hancock's briefing more if they had stood behind him shouting bollocks to this.

I'm not on twitter but someone who is could you ask Matt Hancock.

If people are contacted who suspect they've had Covid (5%) of the population. Can they have an antibody test so they can get out if immune and help keep the economy going?

@itsgettingweird done. I'll let you know if he replies...

(Not holding my breath!)

I’ve just read a bit more about the app , if I’ve understood correctly, it runs via Bluetooth and makes a note of anyone that also has the app and you have been near , if that person tells the app they have symptoms then you will get a message informing you that you’ve been in contact with them . So it could be someone you don’t know .

I’m happy to be corrected.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/27/nhs-app-covid-19-uk-coronavirus-track-trace/amp/

Did Jenrick say that people could 'do as DC did' if they have childcare fears...and if so does he mean, go to stay near appropriate childcare only if you can remain in a separate property and have young family members. If your family don't have vacant property on their land you can't go, you will have to wait for a life and death situation and then call for official help. That would be safer advice, but of course then don't want to say that as it draws attention to the fact that Cummings was very privileged in that respect. It would make him look out of touch, but I think they should just own that rather than send out this confusing message.

Even with the separate property you'd still be travelling under unsafe conditions, moving the virus to potentially less badly hit areas...but of course they also don't want to say that because then they have to suggest Cummings should have stayed put in London.

Either way, it amounts to what Yvette Cooper was saying, the destruction of vital public health messaging for political reasons.

@itsgettingweird I think at the moment they will prevaricate as not yet confirmed if antibodies provide immunity or what level of immunity.

@Ipadipod Yes, you've understood it correctly. But this bit caught my eye in the article 'If an individual later reports that they are positive for coronavirus, it will then ping a message to people who have been in close-contact with them in the last 28 days based on their anonymous IDs.' 28 days? If you'd caught it, you'd have had it and probably be recovered from it by then! If it can take that long to be notified, why should people bother isolating for 14 days at that point?

@Ipadipod yes, I think that's one of the main points of it, to make the link with people you don't know.