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Sky News - Cummings to make a rare statement...

385 replies

MunchMunch · 25/05/2020 13:23

And answer questions today. I wonder if he's doing the briefing today with Bozo?!

I wonder how this will go?!

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mooffie · 25/05/2020 17:24

The fact Bojo swerved the woods question yesterday, the lying is so exposed

Lemons1571 · 25/05/2020 17:24

It’s the way he’s twisting things. “I though I should come back and help at work but some people might believe I shouldn’t have done that”. “I thought I should drive to BC to test my eyesight but some people might think I should’ve hit the A1 straight away”.

Gaslighting bastard.

FourTeaFallOut · 25/05/2020 17:25

"What you you have done better?"

"Blah, blah, blah...words and no answers"

HeIenaDove · 25/05/2020 17:25

@juneybean it depends. I suspect they are going to allow us to choose one household to visit soon.

After this they will find it hard to justify not allowing this

If not i could always clean and hoover at DMs house while i open a window!!!!!!!!!!!!!

StayinginSummer · 25/05/2020 17:25

He needs to apologize.

The fact that he has heard numerous heartbreaking stories of single mums who somehow looked after their kids whilst ill, people unable to even hold the hand of dying loved ones...

And still not even apologize is appalling.

Horsemad · 25/05/2020 17:25

Called in the family who live a few streets away!!!

BigChocFrenzy · 25/05/2020 17:25

Cummings & his wife drove 30 miles from Durham to Barnard Castle for a walk,
on his wife's birthday on Easter Sunday.

BUT
at that time, the public being told only to drive locally,
certainly no mention of 30 miles to test your eyesight 🤔

This was a month before rules changed to let people drive a bit for exercise

S0phisticatedSal · 25/05/2020 17:25

Go in to an infected house and look after a child guaranteeing picking up something nasty and go back to their own house. No they wouldn’t. I don’t know anybody who would. That was definitely not in the rules as being ok.

mooffie · 25/05/2020 17:25

Daily Mail aren't buying it

twinnywinny14 · 25/05/2020 17:26

There is no excuse really. He was willing to let his niece look after him but wouldn’t/couldn’t ask anyone else in London? He is trying to make us grateful for him returning to London too. He really needed to drive to Barnard Castle on Easter Day to ‘test’ how ill he was/wasn’t? He needed to sit for 15mins in the bluebells? He stopped at another woodland for a while and his wife and child ‘played for a bit’? And none of that is against the rules/guidance? Are we actually meant to believe all this??

StayinginSummer · 25/05/2020 17:26

The media are not being probing enough to be honest. He needed to be immediately asked why he was attempting to drive with bad eyesight. Etc.

Viviennemary · 25/05/2020 17:26

Can't watch any more. What a duplicitous snake.

mooffie · 25/05/2020 17:26

And still not even apologize is appalling

I don't get it, why is saying sorry so bad

juneybean · 25/05/2020 17:27

So true helena and there are a lot of contradictions in the current rules. But people like Piers Morgan saying they're going to see their parents of what dominic Cummings did is silly. Why would you take that chance personally? Its like Russian roulette.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/05/2020 17:27

This guy probably knows quite a lot about whether the law has been broken:

Former chief constable of Durham police. Mike Barton

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/defence-of-dominic-cummings-is-shameful-says-ex-durham-police-chief?

“It is clear he has broken the rules. It could not be clearer.
I cannot think of a worse example of a breach of the lockdown rules.
For it then to be defended by the government just beggars belief.”

Horsemad · 25/05/2020 17:29

@S0phisticatedSal, this man has ENDLESS resources/contacts to help him should he need it.

And yet, he still did what he did. 🙄

StayinginSummer · 25/05/2020 17:29

Also, the media should have picked up his obvious total non understanding of Covid19.

His niece might be 17. But she would have picked it up and passed it to her family surely? So his central reasoning that it was better to have a 17 rather than anyone in London is flawed.

Basic contagion knowledge? This is our leaders? And their knowledge of how viruses work?

BigChocFrenzy · 25/05/2020 17:29

So he means all the other parents in the UK were just too fucking stupid to realise they could drive 250 miles
if a manchild didn't want to look after his kid when his wife was ill.

Bflatmajorsharp · 25/05/2020 17:29

I feel so angry on behalf of all the parents who had had to continue to parent their child when they've been ill themselves in settings somewhat less salubrious than a town house with a garden in Islington.

Small, poky flats. Temporary accommodation. B&Bs. Harassment from neighbours. Domestic violence. Children with SEN. Overcrowding.

They had two adults and one child with lots of support and help at the end of the phone, but still he's convinced that the rules and laws were for everyone else but him.

HeIenaDove · 25/05/2020 17:30

So what happens to all the fines issued.

bylinetimes.com/2020/05/24/14000-brits-could-now-appeal-lockdown-fines-thanks-to-dominic-cummings/

14,000 Brits Could Now Appeal Lockdown Fines
Thanks to Dominic Cummings
Gareth Roberts
24 May 2020

Gareth Roberts explores the unexpected legal consequences of the Government’s defence of the Prime Minister’s chief advisor.

"The Government’s attempts to shore up the position of the Prime Minister’s chief advisor Dominic Cummings, by suggesting that the lockdown provisions are a matter of ‘individual responsibility’, may lead to the courts being swamped with appeals against fines imposed under its Coronavirus regulations.

Section 6 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 states that no person may leave the place they are living without reasonable excuse. It then sets out the 13 situations which may be deemed reasonable. What it specifically does not do is set out a subjective test whereby individuals may ignore the regulations if they feel that that is the right thing to do, because such a clause would be a legal absurdity – a bit like saying that you can’t burgle someone’s house unless you think it is the right thing to do.

Section 9 of the same provisions gives the police the power to enforce these provisions and fines of up to £3,200 have been set in England (Wales has similar provisions but a maximum fine of £1,920).

The powers have been implemented enthusiastically by police forces around the country – if you are not able to provide an explanation under one of the 13 exceptions and you are away from home, you are convicted. So far, more than 14,000 people have been convicted and fined for breaching these regulations

In yesterday’s Downing Street briefing, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps seemed to change the law, declaring that the lockdown provisions were a matter of individual responsibility.

The Attorney General – nominally the top lawyer in the country – Suella Braverman also posted a tweet implying that the lockdown provisions may not apply to an individual who was being a “good parent” – which also amounts to a fundamental change in the law as ‘being a good parent’ is not a specified exemption in the regulations, and for a good reason. As any lawyer knows, breaking a law cannot be justified by a test as flimsy as this. Again, using the burglary example, an individual caught burgling a house would not be able to mount a defence of ‘I was burgling the house because my children need to eat’. That would amount to mitigation, nothing more.
Of the 14,000 people fined under these provisions, how many of them may have been able to say ‘I was away from home because I needed to carry out my parental responsibilities’ or ‘I was away from my home because I believe that in my own individual circumstances it was the right thing to do’?

Until yesterday, that defence did not appear to be available to them and they were fined. Now, after the intervention of Government ministers – including, most significantly, the Attorney General – it is not clear.

As such, it is open to those who have been fined under the Coronavirus regulations to appeal their convictions and their fines. They can do this either by going to a magistrates court and asking for their conviction to be appealed by what lawyers call ‘an appeal by way of case stated’ – which is when they ask a judge to pose a legal question for the Divisional Court to consider and clarify, such as: ‘can an individual determine whether the Coronavirus lockdown provisions apply to them?’. Or alternatively, they could appeal to the Administrative Court testing whether, in light of the Attorney General’s remarks the provisions of the regulations are reasonable.

Either way, the superior courts of England and Wales are destined to be kept busy by many hundreds of appeals resulting from the Government’s desperate attempt to keep Dominic Cummings in his job"

SummerHouse · 25/05/2020 17:30

I think they all had a question written down and they asked it regardless of what he said in his briefing or what any other journalist said.

I just think this is a waste of time now. If a friend did what he did, I would understand. I wouldn't have done it but I would understand. The difference is he wrote the rules.

S0phisticatedSal · 25/05/2020 17:30

The man child had to get back to work as the PM was seriously ill and we were in the middle of a pandemic.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/05/2020 17:31

Actually this is unbelievably trivial against the really terrible thing he's responsible for, which is Brexit.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/05/2020 17:31

Well, iirc only 3 teens have died of COVID so far
but several have been quite ill

and it's likely that teens can spread the virus to his 70+ parents, even if his 4-year-old probably won't

Crabbo · 25/05/2020 17:31

His job is slightly more crucial than the jobs the majority of us have.

Sure yes the job is crucial. What is also crucial is that the post is held by someone who isn’t a lying sack of crap. Alas!