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Let's (Truth) Twist Again (3)

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SouthWestmom · 24/05/2020 20:54

Thread three for following the uproar at playing down the lock down and rewriting the rules.

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B1rdbra1n · 24/05/2020 23:57

It is worrying that the person with the top job has allowed himself to be owned by this very unlikable man

TheQueenOfTheNight · 24/05/2020 23:57

The list of journalists' questions regarding the timelines of travel, filling up at service stations, days out etc can probably be answered if they look at CoronaCummungs' petrol expenses claims 😂

whatdoesntkillus · 25/05/2020 00:01

This has probably been said before on this thread. but I have heard from a reliable source that DC has some serious leverage over BJ.

BJ has seriously misjudged the public mood on this one. Then again if the above is true perhaps he feels he has no choice 🤷🏼‍♀️

B1rdbra1n · 25/05/2020 00:06

What is the leverage though... what does he have on him 🤷🏼‍♀️

SixesAndEights · 25/05/2020 00:08

I don't think we need a reliable source to know that, @whatdoesntkillus !

SixesAndEights · 25/05/2020 00:08

Acuri? Russia?

SabrinaThwaite · 25/05/2020 00:09

Hmmm ... whatever happened to the unredacted report on Russian influence in UK politics?

whatdoesntkillus · 25/05/2020 00:10

Something that happened when he worked at the Spectator... 🤨

SixesAndEights · 25/05/2020 00:10

The huge problem is that Johnson is quite obviously compromised and for a PM that's untenable because, as is plain to see, it means he's open to being blackmailed.

whatdoesntkillus · 25/05/2020 00:11

I mean there will be all manner of stuff I am sure. But something more personal...

whatdoesntkillus · 25/05/2020 00:11

Spot on @SixesAndEights

CarolynMartens · 25/05/2020 00:12

It must be pretty bad because discussing planning to beat someone up and general sleaze/adultery/an unknown number of children hasn’t stopped him thus far.

SouthWestmom · 25/05/2020 00:16

Don't forget poor Nazanin Zagabria-Ratcliffe.

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SouthWestmom · 25/05/2020 00:17

Zagari my phone wants me to change it weirdly

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wherearemychickens · 25/05/2020 00:20

The Darroch thing got squashed too, didn't it

kissmewherethesundontshine · 25/05/2020 00:27

Place marking new thread to catch up tomorrow

HauntedHats · 25/05/2020 00:59

Wow...I really want to know what Covid Cummings and goings has on old Blow Job considering all his transgressions that are public knowledge.

HeIenaDove · 25/05/2020 02:27

Didnt realise these threads about this subject were here.

Anyhow...............................

bylinetimes.com/2020/05/24/14000-brits-could-now-appeal-lockdown-fines-thanks-to-dominic-cummings/

14,000 Brits Could Now Appeal Lockdown Fines
Thanks to Dominic Cummings
Gareth Roberts
24 May 2020

Gareth Roberts explores the unexpected legal consequences of the Government’s defence of the Prime Minister’s chief advisor.

"The Government’s attempts to shore up the position of the Prime Minister’s chief advisor Dominic Cummings, by suggesting that the lockdown provisions are a matter of ‘individual responsibility’, may lead to the courts being swamped with appeals against fines imposed under its Coronavirus regulations.

Section 6 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 states that no person may leave the place they are living without reasonable excuse. It then sets out the 13 situations which may be deemed reasonable. What it specifically does not do is set out a subjective test whereby individuals may ignore the regulations if they feel that that is the right thing to do, because such a clause would be a legal absurdity – a bit like saying that you can’t burgle someone’s house unless you think it is the right thing to do.

Section 9 of the same provisions gives the police the power to enforce these provisions and fines of up to £3,200 have been set in England (Wales has similar provisions but a maximum fine of £1,920).

The powers have been implemented enthusiastically by police forces around the country – if you are not able to provide an explanation under one of the 13 exceptions and you are away from home, you are convicted. So far, more than 14,000 people have been convicted and fined for breaching these regulations

In yesterday’s Downing Street briefing, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps seemed to change the law, declaring that the lockdown provisions were a matter of individual responsibility.

The Attorney General – nominally the top lawyer in the country – Suella Braverman also posted a tweet implying that the lockdown provisions may not apply to an individual who was being a “good parent” – which also amounts to a fundamental change in the law as ‘being a good parent’ is not a specified exemption in the regulations, and for a good reason. As any lawyer knows, breaking a law cannot be justified by a test as flimsy as this. Again, using the burglary example, an individual caught burgling a house would not be able to mount a defence of ‘I was burgling the house because my children need to eat’. That would amount to mitigation, nothing more.
Of the 14,000 people fined under these provisions, how many of them may have been able to say ‘I was away from home because I needed to carry out my parental responsibilities’ or ‘I was away from my home because I believe that in my own individual circumstances it was the right thing to do’?

Until yesterday, that defence did not appear to be available to them and they were fined. Now, after the intervention of Government ministers – including, most significantly, the Attorney General – it is not clear.

As such, it is open to those who have been fined under the Coronavirus regulations to appeal their convictions and their fines. They can do this either by going to a magistrates court and asking for their conviction to be appealed by what lawyers call ‘an appeal by way of case stated’ – which is when they ask a judge to pose a legal question for the Divisional Court to consider and clarify, such as: ‘can an individual determine whether the Coronavirus lockdown provisions apply to them?’. Or alternatively, they could appeal to the Administrative Court testing whether, in light of the Attorney General’s remarks the provisions of the regulations are reasonable.

Either way, the superior courts of England and Wales are destined to be kept busy by many hundreds of appeals resulting from the Government’s desperate attempt to keep Dominic Cummings in his job"

HeIenaDove · 25/05/2020 02:29

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/scientific-advisers-on-lockdown-and-boris-johnson-and-dominic-cummings-1-6668936?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

Scientific advisers say Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have ‘trashed’ their lockdown work

A member of the government’s advisory group on behavioural science has said Boris Johnson has “trashed” all the advice he had been given on building the public trust need for lockdown to work

Professor Stephen Reicher is on the Independent Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours (SPI-B) that feeds analysis and advice to the scientists on the Government’s emergency panel.

Speaking after Boris Johnson’s defence of Dominic Cummings at the latest Downing Street press conference, he wrote: “I can say that in a few short minutes tonight, Boris Johnson has trashed all the advice we have given on how to build trust and secure adherence to the measures necessary to control Covid-19.”

In a second tweet, Prof Reicher said: “Be open and honest, we said. Trashed.
Respect the public, we said. Trashed

“Ensure equity, so everyone is treated the same, we said. Trashed.

“Be consistent we said. Trashed.

“Make clear ‘we are all in it together’. Trashed.”

He added: “It is very hard to provide scientific advice to a government which doesn’t want to listen to science.

“I hope, however, that the public will read our papers and continue to make up for this bad government with their own good sense.”

Prof Reicher’s post had been retweeted more than 20,000 times in less than two hours, including by other scientists on SPI-B.

Robert West, professor of Health Psychology at University College London (UCL), agreed with the tweets.

He said: “I am sorry to have to say that as another member of SPI-B I have to agree.”

West’s colleague Susan Michie, director of the university’s Centre for Behaviour Change, said: “As another member of SPI-B, I completely agree.”

Earlier Prof Reicher, who is professor of social psychology at the University of St Andrews, said: “It feels increasingly as if we are living through a Greek drama.

“The kingmaker Cummings’ fatal flaw of hubris brings down both him and the king… what makes it tragedy is that such incompetence and turmoil will bring the people down as well"

Almahart · 25/05/2020 04:07

The defence that his son is autistic absolutely revolts me as a parent of an autistic child whose mental health is deteriorating while out of school and who will find it very hard to go back.

I know many parents who are really struggling with no respite and all their usual routines disrupted.

Many schools aren't taking very vulnerable children. I know they should be but they aren't.

I am incandescent with rage about autism being used like this.

Humphriescushion · 25/05/2020 04:53

Saw those tweets @ helena. Was good to see.
Dont think the government has understood the strength of feeling over this, many studies have said that coronavirus has affected poor areas disproportionately. Poor people dont have the luxury of getting into their car, and going to another home etc! Dc had the luxury of resources. Many many people dont.

ListenLinda · 25/05/2020 06:22

I see the Daily Mail (i know, i know 😂) has turned on the PM. Not looking good Mr Prime Minister.

Potentialmadcatlady · 25/05/2020 06:44

Alamhart... I agree... I am furious...

itsgettingweird · 25/05/2020 06:47

Dan hodges just now has stated on GMB just now - they followed the rules. Jenny Harris's herself stated if both parents were incapacitated seeking alternative childcare was acceptable.

I'm actually quite impressed that Dominic Cummings managed to be simultaneously incapacitated and drive 260 miles!

The media really need to ask how those 2 were both possible.

effingterrified · 25/05/2020 07:09

His mother sounds appalling - the apple clearly does not fall far from the tree. I suspect Cummmings was spoiled by parents who thought they were above the usual rules that apply to other people.

Why if the whole family was grieving his uncle, was Cummings spotted dancing to ABBA on 5 April? It sounds more like a birthday party than a funeral

And why did Cummings drive 265 miles away from his dying uncle and cousins 6 days before he died? How can his uncle dying, sad though it is, be seen as an excuse for his earlier actions, or his later ones?