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Let's (Truth) Twist Again (3)

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SouthWestmom · 24/05/2020 20:54

Thread three for following the uproar at playing down the lock down and rewriting the rules.

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SouthWestmom · 24/05/2020 22:32

I'm sorry but that article just speaks to privilege. The mother's quiet outrage that people like them are challenged on their behaviour. It's ingrained and inherited.

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SixesAndEights · 24/05/2020 22:37

His mother sounds just as entitled! We were grieving... Yeah, you and 40,000 other folk!

ListeningQuietly · 24/05/2020 22:41

PLEASE email your MP
www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-your-mp/
fill their in box

let them know that they work for you

MaxNormal · 24/05/2020 22:44

Just read the article. They really are an entitled bunch, aren't they?

Roussette · 24/05/2020 22:45

Totally agree with all your comments re the uncle
The mother seems so unaware that anyone could've gone through far worse losing loved ones. The uncle had been in hospital for weeks with sepsis and other health issues. Yes, he did get COVID but he had been very ill beforehand, so for his mother to use this is an excuse, to me, makes this all even worse. It won't wash

Roussette · 24/05/2020 22:48

Oh, and need to add the Uncle died on his own at a hospital in London. So why he needed to go to Durham, I have no idea
His Uncle who DC was very close to (apparently) also has a daughter living in London, DC's cousin.
So DC had family in London, yep.

MaxNormal · 24/05/2020 22:54

Barnard Castle resident has this to say.

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/05/2020 22:56

Interesting legal comment here from a QC:

insights.doughtystreet.co.uk...ly-and-legally

As to the responsibility of his actions, it is completely clear that Mr. Cummings breached government guidance which is presumed to be responsible.

Whilst the strategy of attempting to argue that Mr. Cummings' conduct was within government guidelines is insulting and distressing to those who have made terrible sacrifices by staying indoors away from family, it also clears the "we're all in this together" smokescreen to reveal a political plane where different rules apply.

B1rdbra1n · 24/05/2020 23:00

Barnard Castle resident has this to say
I predict a second wave...of sightings of Gollum

PerkingFaintly · 24/05/2020 23:00

Ew. That New Statesman article...

Stealth, so sorry to hear about your grandad.Flowers

I'd also like to take a moment to name someone whose death I've found particularly affecting: Dr Abdul Mabud Chowdhury, who died aged 53 after warning the government about the lack of PPE. He died the day Boris was safely discharge from intensive care.

Actually, all the deaths of people who have died because of their jobs, serving us, have left me really, really upset.

CarolynMartens · 24/05/2020 23:04

mobile.twitter.com/MrKenShabby/status/1264603743473086470

This made me laugh.

CarolynMartens · 24/05/2020 23:06

So sorry I didn’t see your post Perking before I posted. I agree Flowers

CompassNorth · 24/05/2020 23:08

Have emailed my MP and Sir Graham Brady to complain, as suggested up thread.

gluteustothemaximus · 24/05/2020 23:14

Apparently twitter is saying that Cummings kid is autistic, and that is why they travelled so far.

SailingOver · 24/05/2020 23:16

I do hope ‘Boo for Boris’ on Tuesday takes off!

Even if it doesn't the clap for the NHS is quickly going to become stale --I give it another week or two.

The euphoric communal Covid clapping was an expression of 'we're in this together' as a country, as communities and neighbourhoods.

Clapping and cheering, we ventured out onto our porches to see and be seen and to reinforce that we are making scarifies for the greater good. Bojo has just shown us that we didn't really have to comply with the rules after all and that he doesn't really respect the NHS.

Roussette · 24/05/2020 23:19

Despite the fact my awful MP doesn't reply to emails, I have written. Because I'm so angry.

MaxNormal · 24/05/2020 23:26

gluteustothemaximus they're really chucking every excuse at it now. Again, they're far from the only family in that position and have considerably more resources than most.
Sorry really is the hardest word, apparently.

gluteustothemaximus · 24/05/2020 23:29

So far it's; needed childcare, uncle died, and now child is autistic.

Bizarrely, we're quite a forgiving bunch. Saying sorry and accepting how it looks, and how everyone else has made sacrifices, would go a long way. Acting like these were the guidelines all along has riled people.

B1rdbra1n · 24/05/2020 23:32

DC's inability to apologise imo speaks to a feeling that we the public are so far beneath him that we deserve only contempt
Bozo's inability to apologise is imo due to the fact that DC has his nadgers in a vice

partystress · 24/05/2020 23:34

Yes a lot of comments about how appalling the media are for hounding him and his autistic son. Rules relaxed slightly on 14 April to allow travel away from home and more exercise if autistic. So some cover for him there.

But not for the breaking of self isolation when ill or living with someone I’ll or symptomatic. Two parent family, with relatives locally. What made them think they would need additional help from GPs? And can’t be any ignorance of GPs being told to keep away from GCs, cos that’s why schools staying open was so important.

And even IF (bigger caps needed), all was legitimate, Johnson needed vastly better presentational game because of the whole behavioural science angle.

SouthWestmom · 24/05/2020 23:48

Oh didn't BJ allude to this when he scuffled something about medical things he wouldn't go into in his speech?

To be honest, they needed (especially after Ferguson) to make a statement stating that due to specific high medical need Cummings and co would be isolating in Durham and working from there. When you are high profile and (importantly, doesn't apply to everyone) setting rules for the plebs you need to be seen to be doing the right thing and breaching his privacy in a minor way would have avoided all this.

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MotherofPearl · 24/05/2020 23:49

Acting like these were the guidelines all along has riled people.

Exactly gluteus. I feel like they're gaslighting the whole country. The subtext feels something like:

'The rules are obviously open to a degree of common sense interpretation. Surely you realised that? Oh, maybe it's just clever people like Dominic Cummings who realised that. Cretins.'

PerkingFaintly · 24/05/2020 23:49

[I should add (because sooner or later some poster will be along trying to claim my earlier post proves the current anger is a confected tit-for-tat) that this situation is not like the referendum. There, the discontent into which Cummings tapped was frequently about other things, but he steered it to focus on the EU Bogeyman.

This weekend people are genuinely, spontaneously angry with Cummings and Johnson, for the things that Cummings and Johnson have actually done, right now, right in front of us all.]

SabrinaThwaite · 24/05/2020 23:51

Bizarrely, we're quite a forgiving bunch

I’m not so sure ... this bunch of Bishops seem to have been tipped over the edge:

Bishop of Leeds Nick Baines
The question now is: do we accept being lied to, patronised and treated by a PM as mugs? The moral question is not for Cummings – it is for PM and ministers/MPs who find this behaviour acceptable. What are we to teach our children? (I ask as a responsible father.)

Bishop of Penrith Emma Ineson
Goodness, Dominic Cummings must be really, really valuable to Johnson to be worth what he’s just risked by backing him ie the trust of the British people.

Bishop of Reading Olivia Graham
I find myself deeply worried by the PM’s judgement call on this one. Not from a political perspective but a moral one. His response lacks both integrity and respect and he has just made his task of leading us through this crisis much, much harder.

religionmediacentre.org.uk/news-comment/bishops-weigh-into-pm-lied-to-patronised-and-treated-as-mugs/

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/05/2020 23:52

Yep, it was only us plebs who didn’t realise that the guidance was always open to interpretation and all you actually needed to do was use your instinct like clever people