Why are people not more angry about the government's handling of the crisis?

[jobhunter7]

Or are the newspaper not giving an accurate picture of people's feelings?

33,186 deaths recorded so far.

Surely plenty of these people had families and friends?

I suppose they can't really march at the moment.

Also in India, you get beaten with a stick if you dare to go out, and when they caught people trying to go home they put them in a big group and sprayed them with disinfectant. In the Philipines the president declared people would be shot if they broke lockdown!!!

Can you list specifically what you're angry about OP?

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The first comment.

That's why. People are too numb to realise there's a problem.

Because the exact choices are like choosing which cancer to die of.

Lots of people are going to be in very shitty situations regardless of what is chosen

It will be examined eventually. Why he missed all the cobra meetings, not getting the ppe earlier, not closing the airports.

We all know all of this already though.

There are probably many people who are just not that badly affected by the situation. They may be mildly inconvenienced by lockdown but they don't know anybody who has been ill or died. They may be enjoying lie ins, lazy days and late nights. They probably trust the govt to 'Get Covid Done' soon but for now their own household is quite content.

"There are probably many people who are just not that badly affected by the situation"

This is very true. I dont know anyone who has died from it, directly or indirectly, and nor does anyone I know. There has been 3 deaths in our quite wide area and they were very elderly. Numbers will be even less now were on the downward spiral. I only know 2 people who have had symptoms.

I'm one of the 33,186 families (daughter to exact).

Not quite sure what exactly it is you think I should be angry about.

My Dad caught Covid before lockdown, hasn't been out of the country or near anyone who has.

He was retired and left the house once a week or so to do his shopping.

He didn't live in a city or crowded area, in fact at the time he caught it the borough we live in only had single figure confirmed cases.

No clue where he caught it or how exactly it was the UK Governments fault that he caught it and then died.

Now it appears we are going to quarantine French visitors. Fine but bloody decide one way for the other!

Why he missed all the cobra meetings

He missed the early COBRA meetings because he wasn't expected to be there. Extract from the Independent review into the response to the 2009 swine flu pandemic:

"The committee, and the structures that support it (frequently referred to as COBRA in the media), are the UK government’s dedicated crisis management mechanism. While the Home Secretary is the default chair, and the Prime Minister may chair in the most serious of crises, the committee is usually chaired by the lead minister for the type of emergency in question. In the event of an influenza pandemic, the committee would therefore normally be chaired by the Secretary of State for Health."

The Exercise Cygnus report [Tier One Command Post Exercise Pandemic Influenza 2016] published in the Guardian recently;
"The exercise activity was based around four simulated COBR meetings" - chaired by the Secretary of State for Health and the Minister for the Cabinet Office.

Clavinova...people have already made their mind up...if they get a sniff in the press that he missed a meeting.."well that's it then, it's all his fault, oh my god, he wasnt even there" they wail.

Thats not true for me tabby, i wanted the government to do well i really did. It is not so much the high deaths many countries have this as well. It is the lies, the lack of transparency the confusion. I understand maybe he did not need to go to all cobra meetings but to miss 5 at this time or crisis is awful.

Surely there can’t be many people who wanted the government to handle a pandemic badly? What kind of flipping psycho would you have to be to think ‘oh good, thousands of people are dying, the economy is going to go into freefall, yippee it makes the government look bad’?

but to miss 5 at this time or crisis is awful

He didn't go to the early meetings - Jan/Feb.

"It is the lies, the lack of transparency the confusion."
I'm just not seeing this. We have briefings every day with lots of slides. I think it's been very transparent. And what lies? Or confusion?

0.27 percent average of the community in England have had covid. That's just over a quarter of a percent.

Lots of threads of people not knowing what is allowed, too many to explain away. Comparing with other countries and then lo and behold when the stats look badoh we cant compare. Not enough clear data ( for me anyway)Masses of things for me. Now oh no quarantine for the french, no quarantine for the french, quarantine for the french.

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I’m puzzled by the lack of anger, and how willingly the public surrendered their civil liberties.

Maybe people are thinking “if we misbehave, they’ll tighten lockdown”. I did see a “drive along” protest in London, where cars were sounding horns and displaying banners, mostly about the NHS and PPE. There’s also lots of anti-government graffiti in that part of London.

I think the red mist is likely to descend some time after lockdown, when people realise just how bad things are financially, and young people realise just how much their future has been screwed, and students after the double whammy of lecturers striking, and now having to pay full tuition fees for less than proper tuition. I bet many youngsters (believing themselves to be invincible) are thinking “our generation was put out the most, to protect the older generation”. I expect the crying-wolf shit-stirring media will throw in a few inflammatory headlines such as “lockdown was unnecessary”.

Forget Labour and forget Corbyn , they weren't the ones in power, they weren't the ones calling the shots, Boris and the Tories were, and in my opinion the government have been an absolute shambles. Their handling of this crisis has been nothing short of appalling.

• Boris shaking hands with COVID-19 patients.
• No checks at boarders / no closure of boarders / no stopping flights.
• The downplaying of the severity of the virus.
• The debacle over 111 and people being unable to get tested when it was obvious to all that it was spreading in communities.
• Too slow to stop mass gatherings such as the Liverpool Madrid game or the Cheltenham Festival.
• Too slow to close pubs, bars, restaurants, cinemas and schools despite Italy warning us to do so for weeks.
• Missing the opportunity to procure ventilators from the EU scheme.
• The shambles that was the lack of PPE for the NHS and care homes.
• Discharging patients into care homes without testing them.
• Stopping track and trace and not enough testing at all.
• Telling people masks were ineffective when there was a shortage in the NHS, but now magically they work all of a sudden.
• Inconsistent messages: first it was herd immunity, then it wasn't, then it was stay at home and save lives, now it's STAY ALERT .... whatever that means....

-Most recently, trying to re-open schools in the middle of a pandemic without any social distancing measures...

33,998 people are dead. Let that sink in. Nearly 34,000 people in one of the largest economies in the world have died. That figure is actually most likely to be much higher when you take into account the Office for National Statistic's figures which estimates the true figure is actually more like 50,000 - 60,000.

Lastly, don't give me they had no warning. Every other country was given just as little warning as we were. You could even argue we had more warning since we saw what was happening in China, Italy, Spain and France well before it exploded here.

Short memories indeed. But it's okay, Boris is a good old chap who you can have a pint with down at the pub and is is trying his best.....

I read these 'protests' were linked to the far right? Thank goodness, unlike those in America, ours don't have guns.

Most people I know are angry with the government. We locked down way too late, we failed to protect health care workers or care homes, we have the highest death rate in Europe. And now we’re on the receiving end of confusing messaging ... and the R rate is going up again ... but they still want to open schools. Oh, and they won’t extend the transition period with the EU, so come December 2020 the economy will be doubly screwed.

Missing the opportunity to procure ventilators from the EU scheme.

Andrew Neil 8th April:

"So the EU scheme that many attacked Britain for not participating in has yet to produce new ventilators. And might not for some time. New ventilators for EU will take time, commission says."

I don’t have time to be angry

This is it for me. I'm currently busy trying to keep all of my proverbial plates spinning, I dont have time to do much with the anger.

Clavinova

Do you have any criticism ever of the government or BJ? I see you on numerous threads defending ever single thing they do regardless of how many people are dying?

Italy and Spain figures do not include care homes or death at home in community, but France does include care homes. If we did not include care homes our dezths would be lower. In any case deathscshoild be measured per capita, not per nation.