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Would you be happy to lock down for the next two years?

612 replies

BirdieFriendReturns · 13/05/2020 12:01

If the government restrictions stayed in place?

So until May 2022.

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Laniakea · 14/05/2020 12:36

private industry, shops, etc have mostly managed to continue to stay operational and some have expanded, the NHS, schools, etc have responded by massive contraction in their services

^ absolutely, they seemingly have no interest in resuming anything resembling normal service. Unlike the rest of us who have to worrying about getting paid. Welcome back to the 70s!

DuesToTheDirt · 14/05/2020 13:04

@Kazzyhoward, that's horrendous and I hope he gets through this.

Nonotthatdr · 14/05/2020 13:14

@Kazzyhoward

I’m sorry about your DH. Cancer services should be in contact with you.

In some cases it’s felt more risky to treat a persons cancer at the moment as the treatment makes them vulnerable to infection by coronavirus so it has to be decided which is the greater risk but that’s a case by case assessment and should be communicated to you.

Please get back in touch with the oncology team and if that’s impossible ask for a phone apt with his GP. Explain why you think your DH is Very unwell and sat you can’t get oncology to respond. GPs can be a bit annoyed at having to chase hospital doctors because it shouldn’t be our job but in desperate cases we will.

pigsDOfly · 14/05/2020 13:24

@LostJobToday Of course you feel upset that you've lost your job, you must feel awful but to claim you have lost your job because the lockdown was to protect pensioners is, as you say, illogical.

The lockdown was put in place to stop the NHS being overwhelmed by potential patients, not specially pensioners.

The Nightingale hospitals were built for what was thought might be a massive influx of patients, not just for pensioners.

All the measures that have been put in place were done so to protect the NHS not to save pensioners.

fishfingersandtrashtv · 14/05/2020 14:24

Yes, if I keep my job and childcare/schools open.

Porcupineinwaiting · 14/05/2020 15:33

If it means not catching coronavirus again, hell yes.

IcedPurple · 14/05/2020 16:08

People saying yes are imagining a world where no one needs to pay a mortgage, eat, go to a dentist, access medical treatment for anything other than C19, receive an education, use electricity, gas, water...

Yep. Completely clueless. But I guess if they want to lock themselves up for 2 years - obviously at their own expense once the furlough scheme ends - then have at it.

Laniakea · 14/05/2020 16:53

I’m intrigued by these lock-us-all-up-whatever-it-costs people ... what do they think their personal risks of acquiring coronavirus, developing covid-19, becoming unwell enough to need hospital treatment, needing critical care and actually dying are? ATM I can only assume they are wildly overestimating the risks.

sv877 · 14/05/2020 16:57

Of course I wouldn't stay locked down for 2 years. Almost no one would in reality - not for covid anyway where the risk for most is low. If there is no vaccine, we will simply find ways to live with it over the next year.

AldiAisleOfCrap · 14/05/2020 17:37

@Laniakea ATM I can only assume they are wildly overestimating the risks. Sadly the nhs disagrees with you as evidenced by my shielding letter!

bagpusscatpuss · 14/05/2020 17:37

@LostJobtoday I am a bit shocked by what you’ve said. Yes, it sucks that you lost your job - but you could get another one or claim benefits. Dead is dead. The fact you think it matters less if people die, just because they’re old, is disgusting.

LostJobtoday · 14/05/2020 17:45

I did already say I knew it wasn’t rational and I wasn’t proud of it. But don’t let that stop you giving someone already down a kicking. At the end of the day, there does have to come a point that the younger in society aren’t worth being sacrificed for those who have had most of their life.

ikeairgin · 14/05/2020 18:10

Plenty of people who are in slightly higher risk catogories, and age catagories are already working and have been throughout.

No-one in my family has been "locked down" apart from my demented MIL who's getting worse every day because we can't visit and stay in touch.

It's big girl pants time people. Sort out your risk assesments - accept the fact that this is now something we have to live with and take the precations that are sensible, but don't think you can lock yourself away because it aint going to happen, unless you have private means.

And you'd better accept that by locking yourself away you are standing on the backs of others who have less choice than you - and don't you dare get all judgy pants about the choices (or lack of) that others are making to feed their families.

Someone is going to be "out there" collecting your rubbish, growing, harvesting, picking and delivering your food, fulfilling those amazon orders, making sure the electricity grid/water network/gas runs, running your NHS and a billion other jobs that cannot be done from home.

ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans · 14/05/2020 18:25

Ikea - I agree. Staying at home is bloody tough but it is a luxury facilitated by others who need to work.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/05/2020 18:39

Absolutely not. I can't bear the thought of two more months, let alone years.

I went out in my car yesterday for the first time in weeks and I think it's sad how much I enjoyed something that I usually do every day.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 14/05/2020 18:52

ATM I can only assume they are wildly overestimating the risks.

I think what most MN threads on the virus prove is that a significant number of posters on those threads have zero idea of how to even begin to calculate and assess risk.

Teateaandmoretea · 14/05/2020 19:03

I think what most MN threads on the virus prove is that a significant number of posters on those threads have zero idea of how to even begin to calculate and assess risk.

Yep, it’s like playing ‘only when it’s 100% safe’ bingo

Flinstones · 14/05/2020 19:09

No

Laniakea · 14/05/2020 19:09

“Sadly the nhs disagrees with you as evidenced by my shielding letter!”

^ are you advocating locking the country down for two more years because you are clinically vulnerable enough to require shielding? I know a couple of people who are shielding, it’s absolutely dreadful but they don’t for a moment suggest that the way forward is to keep everyone else imprisoned & devastate the economy.

Alsohuman · 14/05/2020 19:14

Absobloodylutely @ikeairgin. Perfect summing up.

Teateaandmoretea · 14/05/2020 19:21

And you'd better accept that by locking yourself away you are standing on the backs of others who have less choice than you - and don't you dare get all judgy pants about the choices (or lack of) that others are making to feed their families.

But some of us are advised to stay at home to work so I’m ‘locking myself away’. I’m not wfh permanently because I’m scared it’s because it’s not worth the risk of me going to the office (as it has minimal benefit). I don’t judge and am really glad that so many are bravely keeping things going Smile.

PissOffStayAtHomeDogMum · 14/05/2020 19:25

A rare voice of sanity in one of the newspapers today:

Arguably, the Covid crisis is being presented in such a one-sided, misleading and alarmist manner that the public is effectively being lied to. But the lie is now so dramatically compelling, so morally powerful, that, like the virus itself, it may be impossible to defeat and prove endemic. The best we can do now is to manage it in a targeted fashion. We might do this by setting “The Official Version” against the fundamental facts (as we know them so far) in two particular areas.

The first regards the true scale of the Covid crisis. An FT study that estimates Britain has suffered 41,000 coronavirus-related deaths has been widely circulated in recent days. So too the latest ONS figures that put the weekly Covid death rate up to May 1 at 6,035. At first glance, these figure are horrific.

But let’s put them in perspective: forty-one thousand is below the number of excess winter deaths in 1998, 1999 and 2014, which immediately raises questions about whether this crisis is truly “unprecedented”. And 40 per cent of Week 18 Covid-related deaths reported by the ONS occurred in care homes, which immediately rings alarm bells about whether it was right to pursue blanket lockdown rather than a more targeted strategy of protecting the vulnerable.

The tragedy is we have blown coronavirus out of proportion to such a degree that it is obscuring our view of another epidemic – surging non-Covid excess deaths. Warnings from cardiology experts that soon the daily excess deaths related to illnesses untreated during lockdown – from heart disease to cancer – could soon be greater than the daily Covid death rate remain dangerously unheeded.

Which brings us on to the second area of the official narrative that demands further scrutiny: the risks of lifting lockdown. Prof Neil Ferguson may be destined for the dustbin of history, but mainstream appetite for garbage-in garbage-out modelling is, if anything, becoming even more rapacious. My latest favourite is an Imperial College study which gloomily warns of a possible second wave in Italy; its projections are based on the strange assumption that the only change in public behaviour after nearly two months of lockdown will be to travel about less.

A correlation also seems to be emerging between how one-dimensional modelling is, and how much traction it generates. Take the much-dicussed study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), which warns 100,000 may die if lockdown is lifted too early. A more sophisticated study would also project the death toll if lockdown is lifted too late, by combining data about the economy and health.

The latter is exactly what some experts, such as Prof Philip Thomas at the University of Bristol, are exploring. He suggests that hundreds of thousands could die if lockdown is ended too slowly – and yet his findings have not enjoyed nearly as much publicity.

We are being brainwashed into a view of the risks around lifting lockdown that is not only one-dimensional, but also downright wrong. The most disgraceful example of this is misinformation regarding the R number. Much of the public now accept the PM’s misleading insinuation that reducing the R number to lush green Zero is our only path to freedom, and Britain is doomed if the R number grows above vampire-red Number One.

So too outlets like the Guardian, which are now furiously tracking R numbers in countries such as Germany, which have been foolish enough to start unwinding lockdown. But this Crayola-coloured impression of science misses one little fact: the R number falling straight to zero is not the only way for an epidemic to end, it could rise before falling; such is the logic behind “herd immunity”.

Which just about captures the spirit of the deceit. Throughout this crisis, our post-Blair leaders have had countless opportunities to level with the public that finding a solution to this crisis might involve taking a risk. Instead it has sold them the old managerial lie that the only solution is to avoid all risks. We may have a new leader, but nothing has changed in British politics

ITonyah · 14/05/2020 19:29

ikeairgin
Good post. Dh has been running his company throughout, manufacturing, with quite a lot of older people employed. He's worked really hard on social distancing and making sure everyone's ok. I'm really proud of him actually. He's managed a difficult situation really well.

Incontinencesucks · 14/05/2020 19:32

No not happy, would anyone be happy about it? If i had too, i would but it's already affected our finances and job security as well as childcare. That's without touching on physical/mental health.

I honestly don't see it happening. Perhaps lockdowns at certain times of the year and social distancing but not for 2 years.

AldiAisleOfCrap · 14/05/2020 19:33

are you advocating locking the country down for two more years because you are clinically vulnerable enough to require shielding? I know a couple of people who are shielding, it’s absolutely dreadful but they don’t for a moment suggest that the way forward is to keep everyone else imprisoned & devastate the economy

No @Laniakea I am pointing out that I am not over estimating the risk to my life.