What a surprise "wear face coverings"

[BruceAndNosh]

As above

The Government has shot itself in the foot (yet again)
People who are too scared to go out and about will not do much to help the economy. Even retired people contribute to the economy by going out to socialise in coffee shops etc. Their wealth might just sit in their bank accounts, helping no-one.

Being in Asia I just shake my head at some
of the comments. It is 30 degrees here and 100% of us wear masks every day, often during a full shift of work. Stop being so bloody selfish and wear them. They protect others in case you have the virus.

Quite a few of you on here don’t seem to be convinced by the ‘science’ behind the masks. I’d urge anyone to watch this interview with the scientist leading the review of all of the evidence on face masks.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJqRaoj2EkA

If that doesn’t convince you, maybe looking at the counties who have been using them and this success rate compared with the death tolls of the worst hit countries (yes I’m including us and the U.S). I suspect the advice against the masks in the UK was because of the PPE shortages and the fact that we have proven ourselves a totally selfish country when it came to panic buying. Toilet roll gate applied to masks would have been even more disastrous for the nhs which was having to ration out of date masks as it was!

There are loads of patterns to make your own. I’m in Scotland so been wearing one for the supermarket and it’s absolutely fine- it’s handmade cotton with a filter, feels safer when people do that thing where 2 metres only seems to apply in one direction and swooping past next to you doesn’t seem to apply!

I have a snood which i bought years ago and havent got round to wearing but its getting too hot for it. They wanted this then they should have locked down in February. Being uncomfortable and hot will make me adjust it more.

Tried wearing a mask last month Lasted under 5 mins Couldnt breathe properly.

Unfortunately as soon as the material becomes moist from your breath - which will take only minutes - the virus will pass straight through.

That's not true, actually. Damp fabric still blocks some droplets from getting through. It still helps, and any help is good.

When the face covering starts to slip or itch you will touch it and then touch surfaces and spread the infection.

Again, not necessarily true. Many people don't touch their mask at all. And even if they do touch and spread virus particles to surfaces, that still poses far less of a risk than coughing, sneezing and breathing in an enclosed space with no face covering at all.

It's about reducing the risk of infecting others, not eliminating it (which would be impossible). Don't let the prefect be the enemy of the good.

Thanks @OPTIMUMMY

I really hope people get to grips with this and stop being so obstinant.

Lol, perfect not prefect!

It's already compulsory to wear them on Eurostar - they won't let you board if you aren't wearing one.

I have ordered some pretty ones from Etsy and will wear in any confined space such as shops.

I don't think anyone has linked yet to Trisha Greenhalgh's findings on face coverings.

This is excellent tribpot, esp the long article - thanks for sharing it.

Link again here for repost twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1253244613927874560?s=20

@Frequency Hello Frequency - I work in a care home too (it’s horrendous right now 💐💐) - I really feel for you only being allowed one mask for a 12-hour shift - we had a similar shit show at the beginning of our outbreak, now management have their arses in gear and we wear them for 4-hourly sessions unless we are with suspected or confirmed residents - we change the mask and wear a visor and then change the mask again - about 70% of staff at our home have contacted Covid - thankfully only one member of staff has been seriously ill - it still feels that we are all flying by the seats of our pants though - best wishes to you and yours xxxxx

@Frequency contracted ffs

I'll make and wear a mask if it means I don't have to queue outside Asda for 40 minutes.

That's not true, actually. Damp fabric still blocks some droplets from getting through. It still helps, and any help is good.

I think ill listen to the medical professionals that tell us a wet mask is an ineffective one.

How about this for a noval idea. If you're coughing and sneezing all over the place - stay the fuck at home.

There no need for a mask.

The scientist in the video linked by OPTIMUMMY says it is all about stopping droplets when speaking and that you don't need to cover your nose. This would suggest masks aren't necessary as long as you aren't speaking to anyone.

"How do you get all or most people to wear masks? Well, you can educate them and try to persuade them, but a more effective approach is to require them to wear a mask"

Sounds spot on based on this thread!

s a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim" and therefore discrimination cases would not stand up

Then the NHS had better brace themselves because an ambulance is likely to be called when DH collapses (COPD)

Just in case anyone has missed it:

From the govt’s latest document
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/884171/FINAL_6.6637_CO_HMG_C19_Recovery_FINAL_110520_v2_WEB__1_.pdf

Face-coverings
As more people return to work, there will be more movement outside people's immediate household. This increased mobility means the Government is now advising that people should aim to wear a face-covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible and they come into contact with others that they do not normally meet, for example on public transport or in some shops. Homemade cloth face-coverings can help reduce the risk of transmission in some circumstances. Face-coverings are not intended to help the wearer, but to protect against inadvertent transmission of the disease to others if you have it asymptomatically.

A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers. These supplies must continue to be reserved for those who need it. Face-coverings should not be used by children under the age of two, or those who may find it difficult to manage them correctly, for example primary age children unassisted, or those with respiratory conditions. It is important to use facecoverings properly and wash your hands before putting them on and taking them off.

………

If you can, wear a face covering in an enclosed space where social distancing isn’t possible and where you will come into contact with people you do not normally meet. This is most relevant for short periods indoors in crowded areas, for example on public transport or in some shops. The evidence suggests that wearing a face covering does not protect you, but it may protect others if you are infected but have not developed symptoms. If you have symptoms of COVID-19 (cough and/or high temperature) you and your household should isolate at home: wearing a face covering does not change this. A face covering is not the same as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers; these supplies should continue to be reserved for those who need them to protect against risks in their workplace, such as health and care workers and those in industrial settings like those exposed to dust hazards. Face coverings should not be used by children under the age of 2 or those who may find it difficult to manage them correctly, for example primary school age children unassisted, or those with respiratory conditions. It is important to use face coverings properly and wash your hands before putting them on and taking them off.

If you're coughing and sneezing all over the place - stay the fuck at home.

Not this again

Not everyone who's coughing and sneezing is ill! As someone with hay fever I won't 'stay the fuck at home' I'll continue doing what I've done for years, coughing or sneezing into my elbow or a tissue and using hand sanitiser if I can't wash my hands.

It's advisable not a law and probably as some want it even though the jury's our in how affective they are for the general population due to how people use them etc

@HelenaDove Should he not be shielding/staying at home?

@squishyhat they are available all over the internet and by me local people selling homemade ones etc , plus I think they have shown a guide how to make one out of old t shirt
We shouldn't be buying medical ones needed by our nhs

@Noextremes2017

I agree. In Feb when this was all kicking off it was all 'hand wash' and don't touch your face, so what's changed now? Nothing scientifically - no randomised controlled trials or anything providing actual evidence (and data from companies wanting to sell masks doesn't count).

So what's happened to 'we're following the science'? More like 'we're making up as we go along' and trying to appease Joe Public

Disppointingly for you.............no Hes not in the shielding bracket.

It's only where social distancing isn't possible and homemade ones or scarves are fine. I personally won't be wearing one unless made to because they don't work any better than social distancing (I don't use public transport very often even before)