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What a surprise "wear face coverings"

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BruceAndNosh · 11/05/2020 14:11

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HeIenaDove · 11/05/2020 18:11

I walk now rather than use public transport.

HeIenaDove · 11/05/2020 18:12

You do realize that people with asthma COPD etc are also part of the working population.

woodpidgeons · 11/05/2020 18:12

Being in Asia I just shake my head at some
of the comments. It is 30 degrees here and 100% of us wear masks every day, often during a full shift of work. Stop being so bloody selfish and wear them. They protect others in case you have the virus

Yes. With the exception of people with SN sensory issues and those with severe breathing problems, everyone should be wearing them.

Your mask protects me, my mask protects you.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 11/05/2020 18:12

it's not law, but already being reported by some media outlets as if it is.

i'm not intending to wear a face covering but the problem is what happens if/when some shops refuse to allow people into their shops unless they are wearing one?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2020 18:14

I only go as far as the corner shop so can't see me needing one as the staff either don't wear them or have them around their necks.

Willyoujustbequiet · 11/05/2020 18:14

I have some medical grade ones which I will continue to wear to the supermarket. I said this on here months ago and some idiots scoffed. Its a no brainer. Can't understand the mentality of someone who would refuse.

Look at Trump. If he refuses to wear one you know its therefore the best thing to do.

sophiestew · 11/05/2020 18:14

Disppointingly for you.............no Hes not in the shielding bracket.

I don't understand. Why would I be disappointed? That is awful. I have two friends with COPD and they both got the shielding letters.

If some businesses (like Eurostar) have already made it compulsory to wear masks so I guess those who cannot or will not wear them won't be able to use those businesses. Probably the least of your worries if you have such a serious illness anyway Flowers

AlecTrevelyan006 · 11/05/2020 18:16

actually, maybe i'll get one of these

www.wish.com/search/face%20mask/product/5eaa9ac26b69640bc21cd33a?share=web

HeIenaDove · 11/05/2020 18:17

I cant understand the mentality of people who kept jumping on planes to go on ski trips after the fact Or the mentality of people who kept going on cruises after the fact. Or went to second homes

Or Cheltenham

PestymcPestFace · 11/05/2020 18:17

Sometimes research is done by people who speak other languages and promoted by other countries.

Japan and India both have concerns about micro droplets produced when we talk, breath and laugh (also when we cough and sneeze).

Wear a fabric face covering and reduce these droplets, hence another tool to help slow the spread of the virus.

Medical PPE is for medics.
CPE (Community Protection Equipment) is to help you not to infect your community.

If you were in the supermarket with Roy Hattersley, you'd want him to be wearing a mask.

Coronavirus: New Facts about Infection Mechanisms - NHK Documentary
Kidneybingo · 11/05/2020 18:17

I think they can act as a visual reminder to stay distanced too. In shops for example, when I see a mask wearer, I remember to stay well away.

tempestterra · 11/05/2020 18:18

I saw a bloke pull his mask off, sneeze, then put his mask back on...
I've seen other people with masks over their mouths but not over their noses...
Others pulling mask off, talking, then putting mask back on...
I think if masks are going to be used, they do need to be used correctly or there is just no point.

HeIenaDove · 11/05/2020 18:18

Sorry i got a bit sharp @sophiestew Thanks There were a few not very nice threads about older people with health issues a while back.

TildaKauskumholm · 11/05/2020 18:25

There are many studies and reports on the use of homemade masks if you care to look. I've been making them for weeks and will definitely wear one if I have to go out. The difficult part is getting everyone to use them, and use them correctly, can't see that happening sadly

ivykaty44 · 11/05/2020 18:34

If 75% of the population used face masks it would help, the other 25% that wear incorrectly its notice so give much further wide bearth. Alternatively say to them they need to wear the mask correctly

LangClegsInSpace · 11/05/2020 18:59

I am pleased to see this recommendation in The Big Document.

It's not a mask it's a face covering. It's not designed to be impervious to the virus, it's designed to mechanically catch most of your droplets, e.g. coughs, sneezes, tiny flecks of outraged spittle. Think of it as a hanky strapped to your face.

They specifically say that it's a recommendation and that people who would struggle to use a face covering effectively should not do so - e.g. young children, those with breathing difficulties, those with LD, those with sensory issues etc.

Probably some places will go OTT and refuse entry to anyone not wearing one regardless of disabilities or other reasons why it's impractical for certain people and there will then be an outcry and further guidance and staff training will be swiftly provided before they get sued. The same as we have seen with overzealous enforcement of lockdown measures by the police and supermarkets not letting in lone parents who have no choice but to shop with their children.

What I am not so pleased to see in The Big Document is the simultaneous watering down of the 2 metre rule. This is from Annexe A: Staying safe outside your home -

Keep your distance from people outside your household, recognising this will not always be possible. The risk of infection increases the closer you are to another person with the virus and the amount of time you spend in close contact: you are very unlikely to be infected if you walk past another person in the street. Public Health England recommends trying to keep 2m away from people as a precaution. However, this is not a rule and the science is complex. The key thing is to not be too close to people for more than a short amount of time, as much as you can.

Coupled with the main message that those who cannot work from home should be 'actively encouraged' to go back to work, I fear the government's advice on face coverings is less to do with public health and more to do with the economy -

As more people return to work, there will be more movement outside people's immediate household. This increased mobility means the Government is now advising that people should aim to wear a face-covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible and they come into contact with others that they do not normally meet, for example on public transport or in some shops

'We know our employees and workers have to travel on rammed buses and tubes if they are to return to work and sadly in our workplace social distancing is just not possible. However we are following government guidance and the government guidance is following The Science. We support our employees to strap a bit of rag to their faces so it's all fine.'

Noextremes2017 · 11/05/2020 19:08

Here is a Government announcement:

Last week we confirmed there was no benefit in wearing face masks.

This week we confirm there is a benefit in wearing face masks.

We'll be holding a meeting of the SAGE group of scientists and will let the public know when we next decide to change our advice.

We hope that is clear.

TemoraryUsername · 11/05/2020 19:09

Can’t see the point. Even if you don’t think you will touch the mask, or your face, you will, which makes them useless. Any gaps around the edges also allows the germs out.

Say you get your period, you're out for the day and unexpectedly come on. Do you wad up some tissue paper and do your best, or do you think fuck it, tissue won't stop me leaking around the edge and through, might as well go commando and bleed all through my trousers, down my legs and on the chair?

I think ill listen to the medical professionals that tell us a wet mask is an ineffective one.

Damp is not as good as dry. Fabric is not as good as n95. Either are better than nothing, that has been shown in studies for at least the last 20 years.

stoptherideiwanttogetoff · 11/05/2020 19:09

This solves my tash situ somewhat but I hate anything covering my face!!

TemoraryUsername · 11/05/2020 19:12

I only go as far as the corner shop so can't see me needing one as the staff either don't wear them or have them around their necks.

So instead of two layers of barrier between you and them, you've decided that there is no benefit to one over none?

purpleme12 · 11/05/2020 19:14

I'm so worried
I won't be able to breathe

woodpidgeons · 11/05/2020 19:16

I only go as far as the corner shop so can't see me needing one as the staff either don't wear them or have them around their necks

My local corner shop has had a two customers only at a time policy, big perspex screens up around the till, shopkeepers wearing gloves and masks, for months now.

longwayoff · 11/05/2020 19:17

But . . . won't we look like letterboxes? I thought Boz wasn't keen on that.

Rumboogie · 11/05/2020 19:18

The Greenhalgh article contains important caveats:

  1. That people are taught to use masks properly.
  2. That people do not give up important social distancing measures.
  3. That enough masks are made available by repurposing other manufacturers to mask manufacture.
4.There is no evidence that mask wearing affects transmission rates in the community. She is referring to medical grade masks, not 'face coverings.'
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2020 19:36

So instead of two layers of barrier between you and them, you've decided that there is no benefit to one over none?

I really don't see that a thin cotton scarf loosely wrapped around my face is going to make a huge difference.

My local corner shop has had a two customers only at a time policy, big perspex screens up around the till, shopkeepers wearing gloves and masks, for months now.

Ours has nothing like that but there's rarely more than a couple of people in there at a time.

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