So who will be returning their children to school in June?

[Bigfishylittlefishy]

Just that really. Parents of reception, year 1 and year 6, IF schools return on the 1st of June, will you send your child in?

My son is in reception and I would be willing to send him in.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/13/italian-doctors-find-link-between-covid-19-and-inflammatory-disorder

What do you think will be different in September?
So much hysteria on this site, which is normally spread by people who don’t need to work or don’t want to work.

Study name: "children are not super spreaders"
Your comment "That study is not peer reviewed and there are about 10 that are and say the opposite"

So yes, you did say that children are super spreaders.

This article makes the point that (from their research) children are less risky than adults as they are apparently less likely to get this disease. I personally find the article persuasive as it is not raw research but a collation of evidence from other studies. The point it makes is that
"these data so far have been consistent across regions and continue to push the evidence in one direction".

Will you kindly stop telling me what I may or may not post?

Feel free to not agree.

I am just as glad that you will not be teaching my children as you are 😊

Mine aren't in the years identified but defo yes. They are crying with the isolation and missing friends

I would love to work, I enjoy my job and my daughter would love to go to school. It’s not hysteria, simply being safe. Hopefully by September they will have developed and launched better testing, tracking and tracing systems which will allow people to get back to work. I think obviously some people need to send their children back to school because their employers are making them go back and I sympathise. However the science does not back up the opening of schools, hence why they haven’t committed to it, why it hasn’t happened. And why teaching unions are advising teachers not to engage in it. People who are being driven crazy by their kids, what the hell do you do in the summer holidays for 6 weeks!

Nicol - For Pete's sake that summary you posted just now says exactly the same as this article!

I mean the royal college of peadiatrics one. Says the same thing as this article.

This isn’t about people being driven crazy by the DC. Do you really need it pointed out why school might be the best place for some vulnerable children, the mental health benefits etc etc
Such a blinkered way to think. What’s best for you, is not what is best for everyone.

if children were super spreaders far more teachers would have been ill due to their contact with key worker children.

We already have our vulnerable children in school every day at my school, they are the number 1. priority in this situation. But schools can’t open their doors to the other children without protective equipment it would be unsafe.

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/14/teachers-can-legally-refuse-to-return-over-risk-to-health-union-warns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Only 5-10% of vulnerable children are attending school.

Hopefully most posters won’t be swayed by such one sided views.

Yes - I think I will send mine back. The lockdown, including school closures, was put in place to stem the rise in cases and to avoid overwhelming the nhs. I think some people have lost sight of this and in their minds the virus is something they must hide from indefinitely in the safety of their homes.

Unfortunately the risk is not going to go away - at least in the next year or so - and so we are just going to have to get used to living with it. Kind of in the same way that society sort of accepts that a small % of people will die in car accidents for instance. I do really feel for families with people who are severely at risk and so are shielding- I’ve no idea what could/should happen in their cases.

I suspect teaching unions are pushing their views on MN.

They’ll be many who may currently say no but by June many employers will be calling their staff back as h&s procedures are put in place -many may have no choice

They can’t be furloughed if work is available for all staff

Many can’t afford unpaid leave so they’ll have to

Different situation if schools were closed but employers won’t be sympathetic to staff refusing government approved childcare

I have one in nursery and one in Yr 1, I'm more bothered about my youngest going back has if she doesn't go before September she's in for a big shock with full time school in September, she will not cope I'm no where near knowing to much about the virus but I have looked into info on how it effects children and I don't think the risk is high at all, children seem uneffected by it.

They spread covid19 like any other normal person

There actually isn’t any evidence either to support the statement that children spread it at the same rate as adults, any more than there is evidence that they don’t spread it at all.

As the text you posted points out.

You are right to challenge absolute statements about the evidence base, but you should stay away from your own unsupported statements.

My family member works in a large primary school.
They physically only have enough room and teachers for 1 year group to return plus key worker children.

The years which have been selected to return could not have been worse. They will be unable to do very little meaningful work with the little ones and year 6 have finished the curriculum so will be watching films....they can do that at home.

Thankfully my children are secondary school age but I would not be happy to send my primary aged child to school at the moment, if will be of no benefit to them and places others at risk.

Absolutely not!!!

65 teachers have died at a point where only 2 % are in. The Bbc site on job risk ranks their risk at 32 out of 339. This is higher than careworkers or bus drivers, who seem to get sympathy.
SEND teachers have even higher risk.

This is why the unions want schools to be safer. I for one am very glad we have them. Especially now I can fully see that as far as MN are concerned people are happy to let us be at that risk. Thankfully most of the parents of my own class have contacted me to express support which I am very grateful for.

Anyone dying was awful. It would relevant to know if those teachers were working, what others contacts they had, if they were in a vulnerable group.

as far as MN are concerned people are happy to let us be at that risk

Not all of MN are happy that teachers face such risk.
I can see an even bigger shortage of teachers soon with how they're being treated as disposable by parents and government. Who's going to want to do the job?

Thank you for posting those figures phlebasconsidered. That is really useful and I did not know that, where did you find it out from by any chance? Teachers are frequently forgotten and vilified, and in this case it will end up costing lives. I am really pleased your parents are supportive. It sounds like you work in a lovely place In my nursery which is part of a school -and caters for children age 2-4 they are telling us we must go back.

Our nursery is opposite a major hospital (I won’t say which one), so almost all of our parents work there. In setting they have no hand washing or protective equipment even though we change the children’s nappies and wipe their noses etc. I found out some people were cooking with large groups of children and tasting food etc!!! We are simply told to sanitise our hands when we come in, then it’s business as usual... the head wrote to us telling us we must come back on June 1st. My colleague who has diabetes (even though I know it is not on the vulnerable list). Was told by the head that she had to come in now (even though it’s on a volunteer basis as schools are technically shut) because her type 2 diabetes didn’t count.

On the other hand my partner works in a school just down the road from mine, they have to change into clothes when they arrive, given full aprons, a supply of gloves, anti bacterial gel. They then must leave all personal items in the changing room and only have two children per adult (usually outside). When children touch things like basketballs etc they have to clean them after.

It seems some head teachers care about the lives of their employees and some don’t. I really do fear for my older colleagues lives.

I have a year 3 child. If schools open fully for all years at the end of June then I won't be sending her in. She is not to be used an part of an experiment nor as a reason to get people back to work.

The past 3 weeks have shown outbreaks in at least 1 school per week (as documented in the Governments COVID-19 Surveillance Report). And this is just with very small numbers of children going in. If this is the trend going forward and with more and more children going to school, surely there are going to be more and more schools with cases. The risk is just too high for us as a family at present.

@Nicol90

” People who are being driven crazy by their kids, what the hell do you do in the summer holidays for 6 weeks!”

What a strange comment.
Here’s what most do during school holidays but cannot due to the pandemic; arrange formal childcare for small children, day camps for older children, grandparent or other family childcare, swap play dates with other families, go for days out to soft play or a playground or cinema or swimming and go on holiday. Generally, people plan ahead.
Many families are trying to juggle working from home whilst caring for smaller children, facilitate education for older children in an unplanned and unexpected situation. It’s not surprising it’s been difficult for parents, as well as many other groups of people, of course.

In summer holidays we spend 2 weeks abroad. A week visiting family. The rest they do a couple of holiday club days. The local beach. Days out to various tourist attractions.