Well that was clear as mud, so is meeting family allowed now or what??

[Crimples]

Not that it matters to me personally, being in Scotland but that was just the biggest load of waffley waffle.
Not even a mention of meeting other households.

Assuming that you don't live with your parents you could meet your mum outdoors (social distancing) at 10am and your Dad at 11am (social distancing) but you can't see them both at the same time.

You can sit 2m away from your colleague at work all day or sit 2m away from my family outdoors all day though.

The time with your parents has to be outdoors, you can't travel to Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland to meet,

Thank you Coffee

Yes, I think home includes garden but not clear. I suppose they fear if people meet in gardens then the whole household may join in if more than one person, and people might share cups, toilets etc.

However, on the proviso that is is only two people meeting and no sharing of those facilities I think it is safer to meet in a garden.

You can't meet in a domestic garden even though it could be safer than outdoors.

No. It’s a meeting with one person from outside your household. So your whole household could have a meeting in the park with Granny, for example. It is not a meeting just of two people, one from each household.

Nope. It is very definitely just two people, one from each household. That was made very clear at the press conference this evening by both BJ and Chris Whitty, one of them even used the phrase word pair to emphasisethat they only meant two people/one on one.

@tenterden I’m really interested to know where your friend with the motorhome thinks she’ll be going (quite apart from the fact that you are supposed to stay in your primary residence). Currently campsites and caravan sites are not allowed to open (unless you’re a permanent resident in a caravan) and I would have thought police won’t be turning a blind eye to wild camping in the current situation.

@daisypond

Yes, @RichardMarxisinnocent is right. It is definitively a maximum of two people involved a meeting that includes two households. I was confused at first, but I don't know why I was really because obviously it has to work both ways...if a married couple and their child meet with one grandparent, they are meeting one person outside their household, but the grandparent is meeting three people outside his/her household. Both sides need to comply.

I didn't quite grasp it but then tonight, finally, it was spelled out in no uncertain terms. If you watch the no 10 press briefing from 7pm on YouTube Boris clearly and repeatedly states that if meeting someone outside your household it had to be just you and them, one on one, a pair.

Wise “ Is it definitely OK for me to sit in the park 2m away from another family that I don’t know, but definitely not OK for me to sit in the park 2m away from DS and DDIL?”

It’s insanity isn’t it. I was trying to explain it to mum earlier and just had to say “stop looking for logic”.

To some extent I wonder if police guess at family groups by skin colour.

There’s a couple across the hall from me who could easily be my parents and I’m quite tempted to see if they fancy a park picnic the next sunny day.

@Inkpaperstars @RichardMarxisinnocent
Ah, right. Thanks. I see. I was looking at the guidance as explained in the press earlier.

Coffee That doesn’t answer all the questions I asked, otherwise I would not have asked them.

It’s not explicitly explained. I think I can guess what it means using “good, solid, British common sense” (ffs), but if it means what I think it means it’s arbitrary bollocks, rather than a risk based approach.

It’s manifestly obviously much safer for me to sit in a private garden 2m away from my family, who have been vigilant in their social distancing, than it is to sit in a park 2m from several other families who may have been doing the conga last weekend. This is “common sense”, which Johnson implores us to employ, yet it’s illegal.

We’re led by donkeys.

But no worries within 3 weeks nursery, reception, yr1 & yr6 will be back in school so everyone will get it. Good luck

What the fuvk is difficult to understand. If you are able bodied you can go out just be aware. You can go back to work or the economy will collapse and then all you people who misuse the austerity word will understand what it really means. Do not see your family if they are vulnerable. What is so hard to understand.

If you are able bodied you can go out just be aware.

Of...?

@threatmatrix
But that's not what the government has said at all - it's just your very unique interpretation of it. Thank you for proving the point, by your very post, that the official guidance is a lot of wooly bollocks.

The very fact that threads like this, trying to make sense official advice, must exist, shows that the advice is very flawed and unclear. No amount of mental gymnastics can show that the government are doing a good job or have any idea what they are talking about. Hardly news.

Those of you talking about police enforcement of campers/people taking sneaky holidays/flouting the rules by sitting near more than one person they know in the park......what police?

The police forces across UK have been absolutely decimated under austerity.

You would have to be extremely unlucky to get caught by police doing any of the things I mentioned.

Someone wild camping is not any kind of risk to other people. If I sit 2m from people I know in the park, how is that more dangerous than sitting 2m from people I don't know? If it is dangerous then why are people being told to go back to work and it's safe? If it's safe for me to drive from one end of England to the other to go to a beach, why is it not safe for someone to travel in their motorhome and stay overnight in it? They can do that without using a campsite.

You are right OP - it's all as clear as mud.

@LilacTree1 I’d find it very unlikely police would would have the inclination to look at skin tones to assess family groups.

Sandra - “ The police forces across UK have been absolutely decimated under austerity”

My local area is crawling with them. They patrol the park, they do announcements, they’ve stopped people on the bus to ask where they’re going - now the stay at home is over, hopefully they won’t.

Pomegranate um, yes, they are that prejudiced.

Interesting Lilac

None around here. Do you live in a city?

Sandra, I’m in a rough outer suburb of London.

I stopped my five mikes a day I always did pre pandemic because it’s horrible now, police everywhere making announcements. My sister got told off and moved on for looking at flowers.

They have loudhailers and repeat “keep moving, you are here for exercise”. It’s a quick win for them, hand out fines in a deprived area, gives them a sense of power, they can tell their bosses they achieved something.

Benches taped off so anyone who needs to sit during exercise can’t. Elderly in my tower block have barely bothered to leave and been sitting in a chair.

*miles not mikes!

Lilac gosh, that sounds stressful. I have not seen a single police officer enforcing or monitoring the measures since lockdown began. I hope you can get your exercise back up soon, five miles a day is really good.

Really Lilac? That’s different to what I have viewed. There is a greater police presence but I’ve seen them helping people or checking arrangements politely to all people regardless of skin tone. I work in London bear very vulnerable groups.

Ink I think it’s safe to say my health is shot to shit. At least I’m not suicidal any more.

So the UK Government message is now very very clear

Lilac I'm sorry, I really hope you can build it back up. It's very good you are feeling better mentally, hope that continues and improves.

I feel for you being stuck in a difficult environment. I really hope when this is over you can maybe find a way to move someone more suitable for you, I know it may seem impossible but don't give up on that!