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Well that was clear as mud, so is meeting family allowed now or what??

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Crimples · 10/05/2020 19:21

Not that it matters to me personally, being in Scotland but that was just the biggest load of waffley waffle.
Not even a mention of meeting other households.

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AlohaMolly · 11/05/2020 19:43

I don’t think that’s particularly fair, cakes. There were a few things left quite unclear last night, like if your employer has complied with the social distancing rules but you have so far been furloughed and you have a child in year 4, what if your employer now says you are required in work? You are a single parent and your child will not be in school, either now or potentially 1st June. You cannot use your usual childcare, school and elderly grandparents, can your employer sack you? Or can you still access the furlough until June?

That’s just one scenario I can think of that is confusing, or at least was during his briefing. Even during PMQs this afternoon, he was asked about childcare and work and he essentially said it was inconvenient and employers should understand that, but that isn’t a real answer is it?

NQT2020 · 11/05/2020 19:45

I thought it was very clear.
No real change except as PP have said, unlimited exercise outdoors with members of your household and you’re allowed to sit down on benches.
Construction workers to go back to work but most of them were working anyway from what I’ve heard.
That’s it really

daisymay133 · 11/05/2020 19:51

Just read the workplace and school Covid secure criteria online

It’s all try your best

Workplaces do not HAVE to follow 2m that’s clear

daisypond · 11/05/2020 19:56

@NQT2020
But you have got it all wrong, so it wasn’t that clear, was it?

GreyGardens88 · 11/05/2020 19:58

Hi does anyone know if travelling nationally on public transport to see family is mentioned anywhere?

NQT2020 · 11/05/2020 19:59

@daisypond it was clear

daisypond · 11/05/2020 20:04

@NQT2020
unlimited exercise outdoors with members of your household -
no. You can exercise with one other member outside of your household
Construction workers to go back to work but most of them were working anyway from what I’ve heard. -
construction workers have always been allowed to work, as has everyone- unless their place of work was closed by the government. BJ was just emphasising that this was the case. It’s not a change.

NQT2020 · 11/05/2020 20:06

It’s not a change
That’s what I said 😂 no real change as they were working anyway!

lyralalala · 11/05/2020 20:07

no. You can exercise with one other member outside of your household

That's as well as being able to exercise with your household, not instead of

Hi does anyone know if travelling nationally on public transport to see family is mentioned anywhere?

I haven't seen it, but the emphasis has been to avoid public transport as much as possible so I doubt that would be ok. Especially as you have to remain in your own home so you'd have to travel there and back in the same day

NQT2020 · 11/05/2020 20:10

no. You can exercise with one other member outside of your household
Or with members of your household...which is what I said

TimeWastingButFun · 11/05/2020 20:12

I don't think the rules they announced today are different for family - so you can meet one person, outside, keeping 2m apart.

wafflyversatile · 11/05/2020 20:12

Apply for a job at the same workplace. Then you can spend all day together. Completely safely. Yes.

FelineUK · 11/05/2020 20:14

So... that's lockdown over then, or at least it will presume to be for many! So I still can't drive for 4.5 hours to go and see my father, only then to have to sit outside when I normally go and stay with him for a few days due to the distance...

Loulabel73 · 11/05/2020 20:34

I work in a factory environment were theres around 40 people on the shop floor, were supposedly we are working 2meters apart, 8hrs a day 5 days a week. So why can't I see my family??? Does not make any sense whatsoever ever!!

bambam2017 · 11/05/2020 20:51

So why do I have to sit here listening to next door with their entire family over and have been all week and no one is batting an eye!
Am I the only one who thinks that there is a majority who have already been breaking the rules openly and don’t care and will now just continue!

HomeEdMom · 11/05/2020 20:59

Agree with those who’ve said that it is perfectly clear.

Some people are absolutely desperate for the government to fail. I find it perverse.

17million · 11/05/2020 21:12

By and large - I completely understand both Boris's address and the keypoints raised today to give more detail - it is down to our common sense to do the best we can.

BUT - I am struggling to comprehend that only one person from another household (when that household is close family) is allowed to visit those of us who live alone,
Does a child count as a person? If my son and grandson (who are part of one household) come to visit me briefly in my garden - maintaining social distancing - how is this not allowed. Do they have to come individually?
Now, for arguments sake (not that I am trying to break the rules) - if they are a family household should one of them be infectious they would both be - and would not knowing put me who is a single person household in any risk. But I can drive somewhere for exercise and pass by or sit 2 meters from dozens of unknown people/households who could infect me but that is OK as they are allegedly social distancing.

Inkpaperstars · 11/05/2020 21:28

I don't know why they did put it front and centre yesterday and today that if people from different households meet it must be a) outside and at min 2 m distance, and b) a meeting that includes a maximum total of two people, ie one from each household.

It is one of the things people most wanted to know and it had to be dragged out by questions rather than being spelled out from the start.

I don't know if they have this, you'd assume so, but it seems like no 10 need some kind of virtual people's panel to help them get the message correctly focused. They don't seem to realise what people want to know, and they need to get out in front of the confusion. These speculation and disinformation filled gaps between initial statements and final clarification are very unhelpful.

Inkpaperstars · 11/05/2020 21:28

Didn't put it, arghh

Coffeeandbeans · 11/05/2020 21:46

@17million a person from another household Is still not allowed to visit your household. You can meet one person from another household in the park, play tennis or golf but households are not allowed to visit each other’s house.

daisypond · 11/05/2020 21:53

a meeting that includes a maximum total of two people, ie one from each household.
No. It’s a meeting with one person from outside your household. So your whole household could have a meeting in the park with Granny, for example. It is not a meeting just of two people, one from each household.

Inkpaperstars · 11/05/2020 21:57

@Coffeeandbeans that is what I thought, but now two family members have just said they can go to gardens. Is that definitely wrong?
Also, DP still thinks he saw somewhere that over 70s are not included, I know it's on an advisory basis, but are the govt suggesting that they shouldn't be meeting other households?

Coffeeandbeans · 11/05/2020 22:18

@Inkpaperstars have a look at the link here from the Gov website it is very easy to read.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

In summary it says “As with before, you cannot: visit friends and family in their homes”. It doesn’t seem to say anything about gardens but depends on definition of ‘ ‘in their homes’ does this include gardens...?

Over 70s it says this:

“2.1 Does easing restrictions apply to healthy 70 year olds and over?
The advice for those aged 70 and over continues to be that they should take particular care to minimise contact with others outside their household.

If they do go out more frequently, they should be careful to maintain distance from others. They and everyone should continue to comply with any general social distancing restrictions.

We know that those aged 70 and over can be absolutely fit and healthy and it’s not the case that everybody over 70 has a chronic health condition or an underlying disease.

But unfortunately, we also know that as you get older, there is a higher risk of coronavirus having a more serious impact with infection. Complications and deaths are more common in the elderly, even those without pre-existing conditions.

Anyone who has been advised to shield by the NHS or their GP, including those 70 and over, should continue to do this until at least the end of June.”

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 11/05/2020 22:22

JaneEB
you can meet a family member outside at social distancing rules.

As it’s so obvious to you please could you answer the following?

Does this mean we each pick one person that we can see throughout the remainder of the lockdown, or does it mean we can see one other person at a time, so I can see my son one day and my brother the next?

Can DH and I see different people, or do we have to see the same one?

Is it definitely OK for me to sit in the park 2m away from another family that I don’t know, but definitely not OK for me to sit in the park 2m away from DS and DDIL?

If people can be fined for failing to comply the answers should be very clearly written down, so please could you provide references to your answers?